And others bitching about being instructed to read the whole thing, clearly didn’t.
It’s not JUST about Proton Meet. The article goes on to point out that even for Proton Mail, around 10,000 foreign subpoenas were complied with last year.
It draws attention to the STARK contrast between their messaging and their actual culpability when it comes to compliance with foreign powers.
The author also goes on to talk about the hypocrisy in Proton’s use of AWS, Google, DigitalOcean and Google and Apple app stores, which goes to more or less completely undermine Proton’s standing here.
It’s also worth drawing attention to their class action waiver, AND their bizarrely hypocritical ToS which flies in the face of their positioning.
Which, you know, others would have found out if they read before commenting.
Like the article requested.
>And others bitching about being instructed to read the whole thing, clearly didn’t.
The problem isn't that it's indecipherable, it's that the reader feels their time isn't being respected. If the author (seemingly) can't be bothered to put the time into writing a blog post, resorting to AI generated slop, why should readers devote time into reading it in its entirety?
>Which, you know, others would have found out if they read before commenting.
Part of your job as a writer is to get your readers to actually read what you're writing. If you want to write about how Trump sucks with the aim of convincing Trump voters to change their minds, but start off with a diatribe about how Trump voters are brainwashed cultists, that's poor writing even if it's theoretically not "hard to read".
I guess I just liked the article!
>California. Not Geneva. Not Zurich. Santa Clara County. Let that land for a second.
>That's not an interpretation. That's not reading between lines. That's LiveKit's own [...]
>Not by breaking Signal's encryption. Not by going to Signal. By extracting [...]
>You don't get notified. You don't get to contest it. You find out [...]
>Not a single anonymous source. Not a single leaked document. Not a single interpretation [...]
>An ordinary person — not an activist, not a whistleblower, not anyone doing anything wrong
My main beef was with the writing style, which is so over the top and repetitive and seemingly AI-generated that I couldn't stand it.
Proton Meet relying on a bunch of US infrastructure is something they should call out themselves loudly when they advertise it, to be sure.
Ironically, I ran this AI-generated post through AI to summarize and isolate the claims of fact. TLDR: The complaint is largely about Proton Meet, which is hosted by a US-based company and is underpinned by a lot of US-hosted companies. Other core Proton services are not part of the complaints, though it's noted that sometimes Proton has given up user metadata from US court orders (such as payment and contact info, not actual VPN or email contents).
I may be downvoted for acknowledging I used AI to help add context with my comment, but the essay was truly painful to try to read after a few paragraphs.
Nah, later in it makes a bunch of spurious claims about how it's theoretically possible to infer that you used/downloaded/paid for protonmail, therefore it's not as "private" as promised. The problem with that claim is that most people don't expect their usage of the app to be private. After all, if you're using protonmail, have a @protonmail.com address, and have a payment to protonmail in your bank statement,can you really reasonably expect the fact you're using protonmail to be kept private? Complaining about this makes as much sense as complaining that Signal isn't private because it doesn't operate off Tor, and cops can figure out you have it installed through the notification icons on your lockscreen.
The part about livekit's privacy policy deserves attention, but the rest of the article seems like mostly AI generated slop to so the author can make a broader claim about how proton isn't private.
> Read the whole piece. Not the first section. Not the first section and a skim. The whole thing.
...boy. Sure seems in tension with the claim that
> when the receipts are this good you don't need to editorialize. You just need to line them up and let people read.
tl;dr: Proton complies with legal process, and Proton Meet routes traffic through California.
And somebody paid for something they wanted to keep secret using a credit card in their name. The latter of which was disclosed via MLAT request, when the former came under investigation for terrorism.
Perhaps their Proton Wallet product might be of interest to the more discerning breed of alleged-terrorist...
Then on every thread they deploy a massive army of people to defend their bullshit. They do this here, Reddit, Twitter, etc.
It's CryptoAG all over again.
But to be fair, they aren't the only ones doing it.
"Prrrreeeaseee trust us with yerr sekretss!!1!!"
Edit: I'll throw this bone. They leverage your data.
What is the documentation about spy agency collabs? I've literally not heard of that. I've heard about them complying with requests that give away metadata and payment info based on court order.
At this point I see more suspicious rants from the people claiming proton is compromised than from the people who say "eh".
