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0 pointsRiverStone1mo ago0 comments

It won’t just resolve itself, unfortunately. The last 40+ years have proven that.

A non-theocratic Iran is in the US interest.

If you give the Iranians arms, I’m sure they would be happy to fight. Have we armed anti-regime Iranians?

I do think we have an obligation to help. That’s just my personal opinion.

As an analogy: if your neighbor is beating his wife, it’s not moral to just put your earplugs in and go back to sleep. You have to take action.

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arbitrary_name1mo ago

you mean like when we deposed the Shah, creating the current regime?

you mean like when we invaded Iraq and Afghanistan? So many great examples of successful intervention to refer to!

you mean like Libya, right? or North Korea? should we fix them again too?

how... how do you hold this position without reading even just 20 years of history?

krainboltgreene1mo ago

> If you give the Iranians arms, I’m sure they would be happy to fight. Have we armed anti-regime Iranians?

lmmaaaaaooo

bdangubic1mo ago

why do we have a moral obligation to help? and why them? there are many places on Earth with a lot worse situation for citizens than Iranians, do we have a moral obligation to help everyone and prioritize?

RiverStoneOP1mo ago

Yes, we absolutely do!

We should prioritize. We have to be pragmatic and choose our battles. We can’t be everywhere at once.

Iran has destabilized the region for decades. It’s hard to imagine how game changing it would be to remove that.

bdangubic1mo ago

again, why do we care? about this region in particular. and for whom would it be “game-changing” other than Israel?

> we have to be pragmatic and choose our battles

this sounds very far removed from “we have a moral obligation”

bottom line, we should not give two shits about what is happening there and we even went voting for a candidate who told us he’ll be the one to make sure we don’t give two shits about it except of course he turned out to be worse than all previous ones combined :)

mhb1mo ago

Surely you can steel man this yourself. Iran wants nukes. Iran has stated it would like to destroy the US and Israel. Israel is an outpost of Western democracy and our ally. Iran has missiles that can reach Europe. Iran is an ally of Russia and China. Iran wants to control the passageway for a big chunk of the world's oil. Cooperation between Israel and its neighbors would be a great asset to the world economy.

This is not comprehensive and maybe you can quibble with some of it, but it is not mysterious why we might care.

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arbitrary_name1mo ago

you mean like when we deposed the Shah, creating the current regime?

you mean like when we invaded Iraq and Afghanistan? So many great examples of successful intervention to refer to!

you mean like Libya, right? or North Korea? should we fix them again too?

how... how do you hold this position without reading even just 20 years of history?

krainboltgreene1mo ago

> If you give the Iranians arms, I’m sure they would be happy to fight. Have we armed anti-regime Iranians?

lmmaaaaaooo

bdangubic1mo ago

RiverStoneOP1mo ago

Yes, we absolutely do!

We should prioritize. We have to be pragmatic and choose our battles. We can’t be everywhere at once.

Iran has destabilized the region for decades. It’s hard to imagine how game changing it would be to remove that.

bdangubic1mo ago

again, why do we care? about this region in particular. and for whom would it be “game-changing” other than Israel?

> we have to be pragmatic and choose our battles

this sounds very far removed from “we have a moral obligation”

mhb1mo ago

This is not comprehensive and maybe you can quibble with some of it, but it is not mysterious why we might care.

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