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0 pointsRiverStone1mo ago0 comments

My impression is that people don’t take Trump‘s words literally. Trump often exaggerates and plays word games. If you take every statement from Trump literally you’re going to be constantly triggered.

But even so, I think the response you’ll get from most anti-regime Iranians is “go for it, if it may let us get our country back”.

Iranians who wants the regime overthrown are very conflicted right now. They see their country being destroyed, but they also hate the regime and want a revolution.

They literally feel that their country was hijacked by an Islamic theocracy. They want that destroyed, so they’re thankful that Trump is attacking it.

How far should Trump go? I just saw news reports that Iranian expats and anti-regime Iranians were disappointed with the cease-fire. That aligns with the initial reaction from my family and the Iranian expats that I know.

So it’s a complicated answer… Do Iranians want all their infrastructure destroyed? If it would guarantee the regime was defeated I think most would say yes.

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amritananda1mo ago

I have never seen any diaspora have more contempt for their own people than Iranians. Thankfully more recent diaspora in the US are both more level-headed and diverse (coming not just from Tehran and a few other major cities but many other places and ethnic groups). I know an Azeri Iranian who was nothing but contempt for the regime (especially after thousands of protesters were murdered) but is horrified by what the US/Israel has been doing.

Diaspora communities are never representative of their home country. This is something I know from my own community, since selection bias leads to a very particular (and privileged) set of people with the means to emigrate, almost universally from a single ethnic group that is less than 11% of the total population. Perhaps you should consider whether the Iranians you know are representative of the Iranian population as a whole.

RiverStoneOP1mo ago

I would agree that there is some bias amongst expats, I think that’s a fair point.

I think saying diaspora “never represent” their home countries is an exaggeration.

All the Iranians in the US I know are first generation immigrants who have been here maybe 5-20 years. I’m not talking about second generation Iranians. They all still have family in Iran. And their views do not differ from their family.

My mother-in-law is the most anti-regime person I know, and she lives in Tehran. A bomb recently exploded nearby and broke all the windows in her house. But life goes on, Iranians are extremely resilient.

thelastgallon1mo ago

> All the Iranians in the US Maybe thats the only demographic in the US? They are anti-regime and must clear interview at US consulate, can't exactly get into US if you are pro-regime?

donkeybeer1mo ago

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RiverStoneOP1mo ago

No, she’s not a monarchist, and she’s actually very uncomfortable with people referring to “prince” Reza Pahlavi.

I think she understands that every movement needs a leader, so she’s ok with Mr. Pahlavi leading that, i.e. a constitutional assembly. But beyond that she doesn’t recognize the monarchy

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amritananda1mo ago

RiverStoneOP1mo ago

I would agree that there is some bias amongst expats, I think that’s a fair point.

I think saying diaspora “never represent” their home countries is an exaggeration.

thelastgallon1mo ago

> All the Iranians in the US Maybe thats the only demographic in the US? They are anti-regime and must clear interview at US consulate, can't exactly get into US if you are pro-regime?

donkeybeer1mo ago

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RiverStoneOP1mo ago

No, she’s not a monarchist, and she’s actually very uncomfortable with people referring to “prince” Reza Pahlavi.

I think she understands that every movement needs a leader, so she’s ok with Mr. Pahlavi leading that, i.e. a constitutional assembly. But beyond that she doesn’t recognize the monarchy

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