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0 pointslelanthran2mo ago0 comments

> For example, any time opus says "pragmatic", its instant Esc Esc > "Pragmatic fix is always wrong, do the Correct fix", also whenever "pre-existing issue" appears (it's never pre-existing).

It's so weird to see language changes like this: Outside of LLM conversations, a pragmatic fix and a correct fix are orthogonal. IOW, fix $FOO can be both.

From what you say, your experience has been that a pragmatic fix is on the same axis as a correct fix; it's just a negative on that axis.

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b1122mo ago· 2 in thread

It's contextual though, and pragmatic seems different to me than correct.

For example, if you have $20 and a leaking roof, a $20 bucket of tar may be the pragmatic fix. Temporary but doable.

Some might say it is not the correct way to fix that roof. At least, I can see some making that argument. The pragmatism comes from "what can be done" vs "should be".

From my perspective, it seems viable usage. And I guess on wonders what the LLM means when using it that way. What makes it determine a compromise is required?

(To be pragmatic, shouldn't one consider that synonyms aren't identical, but instead close to the definition?)

lelanthranOP2mo ago

> It's contextual though, and pragmatic seems different to me than correct.

To me too, that's why I say they are measurements on different dimensions.

To my mind, I can draw a X/Y axis with "Pragmatic" on the Y and "Correctness" on the X, and any point on that chart would have an {X,Y} value, which is {Pragmatic, Correctness}.

If I am reading the original comment correctly, poster's experience of CC is that it is not an X/Y plot, it is a single line plot, with "Pragmatic" on the extreme left and "Correctness" on the extreme right.

Basically, any movement towards pragmatism is a movement away from correctness, while in my model it is possible to move towards Pragmatic while keeping Correctness the same.

shawnz2mo ago

I don't think it's a single axis even in the original poster's conception, since you could be both incorrect and also not pragmatic.

But if a fix needs to be described as pragmatic relative to the alternatives, that's probably because it couldn't be described as correct. Otherwise you wouldn't be talking about how pragmatic it is.

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