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0 pointslpcvoid1mo ago0 comments

And russia has been violating this too, along with other much worse things, as usual.

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Hard to feel the same sympathy for Russian men to be honest, I've seen many gallivanting abroad, whilst majority of Ukrainian men are stuck either in hiding in their own country or have been sent to the front lines. Only a few got out early or by paying bribes.

saidnooneever1mo ago

honestly i am happy for the russian and ukranian young men and women i meet here in NL each day. Glad for them they can dodge the draft. most simply drove out, some had more hastle than others.

war is shit on all sides and thinking one or the other suffers less because you dont like their colours is very short sighted.... i think we had enough time by now to realise it.

and dont call it cowardice if someone doesnt want to fight for a bunch of 'rich pricks' playin with their money while normal people get to die in the streets. It has never been good or normal and should never be.

cedws1mo ago

It's objectively worse on the Ukrainian side. Imagine you haven't been able to leave your house in 4 years for fear you'll be grabbed by a draft officer. Russians do not know this fear.

To boot, many Russian men have been paid handsomely for their participation in the SMO and get to live nice lives abroad.

sesqu1mo ago

Did you just forget about the mobilization drive Russia had in 2022, where they grabbed young men off streets and from their houses?

It was very unpopular, lead to people fleeing the country, and was pushed out of the public eye as soon as they figured out how to forcefully volunteer people instead.

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saghm1mo ago

It's not like it's zero-sum though; the world outside Russia and as Ukraine isn't going to become so full that there's no room for more or them to leave to dodge fighting in a war, so the parent commenter can easily be happy for any of them regardless of their country of origin.

throw-the-towel1mo ago

Factually untrue, Russian men can and do leave the country. Also, nice whataboutism bro.

yolo30001mo ago

How about Russians from abroad, do they often go back to Russia?

throw-the-towel1mo ago

The men I know try not to go unless it's absolutely necessary. The women generally prance to Russia and back all the time. (Exceptions exist, of course.)

lpcvoidOP1mo ago

You started with bringing Ukraine up under an article about Germany, so how is your comment any less a whataboutism than mine?

throw-the-towel1mo ago

That was a different user and not me, but fair point.

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cedws1mo ago

saidnooneever1mo ago

honestly i am happy for the russian and ukranian young men and women i meet here in NL each day. Glad for them they can dodge the draft. most simply drove out, some had more hastle than others.

war is shit on all sides and thinking one or the other suffers less because you dont like their colours is very short sighted.... i think we had enough time by now to realise it.

cedws1mo ago

It's objectively worse on the Ukrainian side. Imagine you haven't been able to leave your house in 4 years for fear you'll be grabbed by a draft officer. Russians do not know this fear.

To boot, many Russian men have been paid handsomely for their participation in the SMO and get to live nice lives abroad.

sesqu1mo ago

Did you just forget about the mobilization drive Russia had in 2022, where they grabbed young men off streets and from their houses?

It was very unpopular, lead to people fleeing the country, and was pushed out of the public eye as soon as they figured out how to forcefully volunteer people instead.

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saghm1mo ago

throw-the-towel1mo ago

Factually untrue, Russian men can and do leave the country. Also, nice whataboutism bro.

yolo30001mo ago

How about Russians from abroad, do they often go back to Russia?

throw-the-towel1mo ago

The men I know try not to go unless it's absolutely necessary. The women generally prance to Russia and back all the time. (Exceptions exist, of course.)

lpcvoidOP1mo ago

You started with bringing Ukraine up under an article about Germany, so how is your comment any less a whataboutism than mine?

throw-the-towel1mo ago

That was a different user and not me, but fair point.

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