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0 pointsreactordev1mo ago0 comments

That might have been true pre LLMs but you can literally point an agent at the queue until it’s empty now.

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You literally cannot, since ANY changes to code tend to introduce unintended (or at least not explicitly requested) new behaviors.

lll-o-lll1mo ago

Eventual convergence? Assuming each defect fix has a 30% chance of introducing a new defect, we keep cycling until done?

saintfire1mo ago

Assuming you can catch every new bug it introduces.

Both assumptions being unlikely.

You also end up with a code base you let an AI agent trample until it is satisfied; ballooned in complexity and redudant brittle code.

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majewsky1mo ago

That's assuming that each fix can only introduce at most one additional defect, which is obviously untrue.

Kinrany1mo ago

Why would it converge?

nostrademons1mo ago

The chance of a defect fix introducing a new defect tends to grow linearly with the size of the codebase, since defects are usually caused by the interaction between code and there's now more code to interact with.

If you plot this out, you'll notice that it eventually reaches > 100% and the total number of defects will eventually grow exponentially, as each bugfix eventually introduces more bugs than it fixes. Which is what I've actually observed in 25 years in the software industry. The speed at which new bugs are introduced faster than bugfixes varies by organization and the skill of your software architects - good engineers know how to keep coupling down and limit the space of existing code that a new fix could possibly break. I've seen some startups where they reach this asymptote before bringing the product to market though (needless to say, they failed), and it's pretty common for computer games to become steaming piles of shit close to launch, and I've even seen some Google systems killed and rewritten because it became impossible to make forward progress on them. I call this technical bankruptcy, the end result of technical debt.

bluefirebrand1mo ago

As long as we're inventing numbers, what if it's a 90% chance?

What if it's a 200% chance, and every fix introduces multiple defects?

pron1mo ago

Except they don't converge. You see that if you use agents to evolve a codebase. We also saw exactly that in the failed Anthropic experiment to create a C compiler.

reactordevOP1mo ago

I’ve had mine on a Ralph loop no problem. Just review the PR..

k_roy1mo ago

Which still means a single person with Claude can clear a queue in a day versus a month with a traditional team.

worthless-trash1mo ago

Your example must have incredible users or really trivial software.

bsder1mo ago

The fact that KiCad still has a ton of highly upvoted missing features and the fact that FreeCAD still hasn't solved the topological renumbering problem are existence proofs to the contrary.

rybosworld1mo ago

Shouldn't be down voted for saying this. There are active repo's this is happening in.

"BuT ThE LlM iS pRoBaBlY iNtRoDuCiNg MoRe BuGs ThAn It FiXeS"

This is an absurd take.

array_key_first1mo ago

It probably is introducing more bugs because I think some people dont understand how bugs work.

Very, very rarely is a bug a mistake. As in, something unintentional that you just fix and boom, done.

No no. Most bugs are intentional, and the bug part is some unintended side effects that is a necessary, but unforseen, consequence of the main effect. So, you can't just "fix" the bug without changing behavior, changing your API, changing garauntees, whatever.

And that's how you get the 1 month 1-liner. Writing the one line is easy. But you have to spend a month debating if you should do it, and what will happen if you do.

missingdays1mo ago

So, you have already fixed all the bugs and now just cruising through life?

jen729w1mo ago

I wonder whether people like you have actually used Claude for any length of time.

I use it all day. I consider it a near-miracle. Yet I correct it multiple times daily.

rybosworld1mo ago

> I wonder whether people like you have actually used Claude for any length of time.

I stated the LLMs are actively being used in repo's today, to chew through backlog items, and your response is to wonder if I've ever used Claude.

To me it's surprising that someone like you, who appears to have a reading comprehension deficiency, is able to use Claude.

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batshit_beaver1mo ago

You literally cannot, since ANY changes to code tend to introduce unintended (or at least not explicitly requested) new behaviors.

lll-o-lll1mo ago

Eventual convergence? Assuming each defect fix has a 30% chance of introducing a new defect, we keep cycling until done?

saintfire1mo ago

Assuming you can catch every new bug it introduces.

Both assumptions being unlikely.

You also end up with a code base you let an AI agent trample until it is satisfied; ballooned in complexity and redudant brittle code.

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majewsky1mo ago

That's assuming that each fix can only introduce at most one additional defect, which is obviously untrue.

Kinrany1mo ago

Why would it converge?

nostrademons1mo ago

bluefirebrand1mo ago

As long as we're inventing numbers, what if it's a 90% chance?

What if it's a 200% chance, and every fix introduces multiple defects?

pron1mo ago

Except they don't converge. You see that if you use agents to evolve a codebase. We also saw exactly that in the failed Anthropic experiment to create a C compiler.

reactordevOP1mo ago

I’ve had mine on a Ralph loop no problem. Just review the PR..

k_roy1mo ago

Which still means a single person with Claude can clear a queue in a day versus a month with a traditional team.

worthless-trash1mo ago

Your example must have incredible users or really trivial software.

bsder1mo ago

The fact that KiCad still has a ton of highly upvoted missing features and the fact that FreeCAD still hasn't solved the topological renumbering problem are existence proofs to the contrary.

rybosworld1mo ago

Shouldn't be down voted for saying this. There are active repo's this is happening in.

"BuT ThE LlM iS pRoBaBlY iNtRoDuCiNg MoRe BuGs ThAn It FiXeS"

This is an absurd take.

array_key_first1mo ago

It probably is introducing more bugs because I think some people dont understand how bugs work.

Very, very rarely is a bug a mistake. As in, something unintentional that you just fix and boom, done.

And that's how you get the 1 month 1-liner. Writing the one line is easy. But you have to spend a month debating if you should do it, and what will happen if you do.

missingdays1mo ago

So, you have already fixed all the bugs and now just cruising through life?

jen729w1mo ago

I wonder whether people like you have actually used Claude for any length of time.

I use it all day. I consider it a near-miracle. Yet I correct it multiple times daily.

rybosworld1mo ago

> I wonder whether people like you have actually used Claude for any length of time.

I stated the LLMs are actively being used in repo's today, to chew through backlog items, and your response is to wonder if I've ever used Claude.

To me it's surprising that someone like you, who appears to have a reading comprehension deficiency, is able to use Claude.

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