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0 pointskelipso3mo ago0 comments

It will end up being all men at all the skill rating levels.

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fgonzag3mo ago· 3 in thread

It doesn't.In tennis a 14 UTR whatever wins against a 13 UTR whatever. UTR is your effectiveness rating against every other player. Same in chess with ELO.

The issue is woman would disappear from profesional sports. Sinners 16.27 rating means that he double bagels Sabalenkas 13.29 essentially 100% of the time. The 500th ATP player has a UTR of 13.81, half a point is quite a bit stronger, do he's still very much stronger than Sabalenka. You probably have to start looking well into the thousand somethings for something that is consisently beaten by her.

Only the top 200 players make money, the top 100 good money, and the top 50 ridiculous money.

kelipsoOP3mo ago

So women would not be in something like top 2000 of tennis players or worse. Which would basically remove any incentive for women to participate in pro tennis at all.

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tremon3mo ago

I don't get how you can compare Sinner's UTR against Sabalenka's when they're based to two disparate group scores? Doesn't there need to be at least a modicum of cross-pollination to make a meaningful comparison?

fgonzag3mo ago

There is some cross pollination. Women can play vs men, just usually don't. I'm fairly certain singles UTR is universal across players, it only distinguishes between doubles and singles UTR.

UTR can also include unranked games if one of the players submits a score and the other approves it.

txrx00003mo ago· 2 in thread

No it would not. Look at chess ratings.

kelipsoOP3mo ago

Basically proving my point. Very few women in top chess. Currently there are 0 women in top 100 chess players. Only 3 women were ever in the top 100 chess players. And chess is not even a game where men have a natural advantage like in almost all of the physical sports.

txrx00003mo ago

I don't deny that there are very few women in top chess, but that wasn't your point. You said it would end up being all men at all the skill rating levels, which is not true. Take chess as an example: there are a lot more women at around 1500 elo than at 2500 elo. So if you host an intermediate-level tournament just for players around 1500 elo, plenty of women will participate.

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fgonzag3mo ago· 3 in thread

It doesn't.In tennis a 14 UTR whatever wins against a 13 UTR whatever. UTR is your effectiveness rating against every other player. Same in chess with ELO.

Only the top 200 players make money, the top 100 good money, and the top 50 ridiculous money.

kelipsoOP3mo ago

So women would not be in something like top 2000 of tennis players or worse. Which would basically remove any incentive for women to participate in pro tennis at all.

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tremon3mo ago

fgonzag3mo ago

There is some cross pollination. Women can play vs men, just usually don't. I'm fairly certain singles UTR is universal across players, it only distinguishes between doubles and singles UTR.

UTR can also include unranked games if one of the players submits a score and the other approves it.

txrx00003mo ago· 2 in thread

No it would not. Look at chess ratings.

kelipsoOP3mo ago

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