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0 pointsshrubby1mo ago0 comments

I'm from Finland and more aligned to the left I guess.

I'm trying to distance myself from though as I'm currently seeing everything as merely corrupt (by power) elite vs. normal people.

But yes, perhaps the thing I'm looking after is something like the real equality side, which to me doesn't seem to exist as even the left here in Finland seems to disregard the laws of physics and nature in terms of the impossible eternal growth.

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tovej1mo ago

What a coincidence, I'm also Finnish.

Vas. definitely has degrowth as a part of their platform, and is often speaking against eternal growth and trying to get climate laws passed. They're only one party, and the last govt's more left-leaning SD was the best partner they could have had here, but Kesk. dragged down their efforts. Of course now, with Antti Lindtman, we have a right-wing SD, I agree that they aren't very clear on policy, and are fine with sitting around waiting to win the election on the current govt's failures.

What I'm trying to say is that I don't recognize your picture of the left within Finland. Which to be clear is something like Vas. + some parts of SD (Mäkynen, Kiuru e.g.).

shrubbyOP1mo ago

And yes, IMO left is by clear margin the least worst of the parties, but far from perfect :D

shrubbyOP1mo ago

Okay, I'm seeing a lot of old industrial/growth speech in the established left too, and the economic talk doesn't differ that drastically from the greens eternal growth vision.

I guess I'm thinking anything that doesn't hilight the tax free global narcissist pedi meta-zillionaire class tax evasion scheme to be one (or THE) root causes and also the easy fixes.

I talked to a lot of candidates from different parties during last spring campaigning and what I drew from proposing a "global fix the zillionaire-issue" was that new candidates saw this as a, perhaps unlikely, but a mandatory step in gaining a future for normal people.

And I talked to few front line politicians from the left and sdp and they didn't see any need for fixing the issue with individuals who've accumulated enough power.

Perhaps some of the top politicians also think this way but haven't realized that this is what the actual human beings want.

Or wanted a year ago, things are significantly worse for the normal people on both sides of the aisle.

tovej1mo ago

I agree that Vas. also talks about economics within the growth framework, but that's because it's how the economy is measured, and how other parties work. And so in order to collaborate, you must at least partially adopt the framework.

But if you read Vas.'s party programme, you'll find a proposed millionaire tax, and a proposed progression to capital gains taxation.

I don't remember if an exit tax is a part of the current program, but it was at least discussed during the previous govt. (iirc, Kesk. killed it).

But I get your frustration, certainly the oikeistodemari -block is just a "nicer" Kok., and doesn't actually question any of the current frameworks.

Kiitos ajatustenvaihdosta, ja hyvää alkanutta viikonloppua.

shrubbyOP1mo ago

Jep, me tarvitaan joku puoluerajat ylittävä kohtuuttomuudenkersintaliike.

Ihmiset ovat ihan kypsiä eliitin elosteluun ja sen varjolla tavallisen ihmisen kurjistamiseen.

Hyvää viikonloppua :)

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tovej1mo ago

What a coincidence, I'm also Finnish.

What I'm trying to say is that I don't recognize your picture of the left within Finland. Which to be clear is something like Vas. + some parts of SD (Mäkynen, Kiuru e.g.).

shrubbyOP1mo ago

And yes, IMO left is by clear margin the least worst of the parties, but far from perfect :D

shrubbyOP1mo ago

Okay, I'm seeing a lot of old industrial/growth speech in the established left too, and the economic talk doesn't differ that drastically from the greens eternal growth vision.

I guess I'm thinking anything that doesn't hilight the tax free global narcissist pedi meta-zillionaire class tax evasion scheme to be one (or THE) root causes and also the easy fixes.

And I talked to few front line politicians from the left and sdp and they didn't see any need for fixing the issue with individuals who've accumulated enough power.

Perhaps some of the top politicians also think this way but haven't realized that this is what the actual human beings want.

Or wanted a year ago, things are significantly worse for the normal people on both sides of the aisle.

tovej1mo ago

But if you read Vas.'s party programme, you'll find a proposed millionaire tax, and a proposed progression to capital gains taxation.

I don't remember if an exit tax is a part of the current program, but it was at least discussed during the previous govt. (iirc, Kesk. killed it).

But I get your frustration, certainly the oikeistodemari -block is just a "nicer" Kok., and doesn't actually question any of the current frameworks.

Kiitos ajatustenvaihdosta, ja hyvää alkanutta viikonloppua.

shrubbyOP1mo ago

Jep, me tarvitaan joku puoluerajat ylittävä kohtuuttomuudenkersintaliike.

Ihmiset ovat ihan kypsiä eliitin elosteluun ja sen varjolla tavallisen ihmisen kurjistamiseen.

Hyvää viikonloppua :)

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse