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0 pointsoefrha1d ago0 comments

> Swift could have easily dethroned Python

No way something that compiles as slowly as Swift dethrones Python.

Edit: Plus Swift goes directly against the Zen of Python

> Explicit is better than implicit.

> Namespaces are one honking great idea -- let's do more of those!

coupled with shitty LSP support (even to this day) makes code even harder to understand than when you `import *` in Python.

Edit 2: To expand a little on how shitty the LSP support is for those who don't work with Swift: any trivial iOS or macOS project that builds fine in Xcode can have a bunch of SourceKit-LSP (the official Swift LSP) errors because it fails to resolve frameworks/libraries. The only sane way to work with Swift in VS Code or derivatives I've found is to turn off SourceKit diagnostics altogether and only keep swiftc diagnostics. And I have the swift-lsp plugin in Claude Code, there's a routine baseline of SourceKit errors ignored. So you have symbols without explicit namespaces, and the LSP simply can't resolve lots of them, so no lookup for you. Good luck.

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vovavili1d ago

>No way something that compiles as slowly as Swift dethrones Python.

This must have pushed Chris Lattner towards making Mojo both interpreted and compiled at the same time.

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bossyTeacher1d ago

> Explicit is better than implicit.

That's funny. To me magic is implicit by definition and Python strikes me as a very magical language compared to something like Java that is way more explicit.

robmccoll1d ago

Until you start using frameworks like Spring and then everything is so painfully magic that no one knows how the program actually runs.

wiseowise1d ago

Magical language how? And you should see what reflection based Java monstrosities do in the background.

commandersaki1d ago

Plus Swift goes directly against the Zen of Python

The Zen of Python is how we got crap like argparse where arguments are placed in the namespace instead of a dict.

coldtea1d ago

I wouldn't change that in any way. I'd might make it an Arguments class, but I wound't make what parser returns merely a dict.

commandersaki1d ago

Yeah, so what happens when you have an option with a '-' in it that isn't valid as a variable name (I know what happens). It's just stupid.

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0 pointsoefrha1d ago0 comments

> Swift could have easily dethroned Python

No way something that compiles as slowly as Swift dethrones Python.

Edit: Plus Swift goes directly against the Zen of Python

> Explicit is better than implicit.

> Namespaces are one honking great idea -- let's do more of those!

coupled with shitty LSP support (even to this day) makes code even harder to understand than when you `import *` in Python.

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vovavili1d ago

>No way something that compiles as slowly as Swift dethrones Python.

This must have pushed Chris Lattner towards making Mojo both interpreted and compiled at the same time.

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bossyTeacher1d ago

> Explicit is better than implicit.

That's funny. To me magic is implicit by definition and Python strikes me as a very magical language compared to something like Java that is way more explicit.

robmccoll1d ago

Until you start using frameworks like Spring and then everything is so painfully magic that no one knows how the program actually runs.

wiseowise1d ago

Magical language how? And you should see what reflection based Java monstrosities do in the background.

commandersaki1d ago

Plus Swift goes directly against the Zen of Python

The Zen of Python is how we got crap like argparse where arguments are placed in the namespace instead of a dict.

coldtea1d ago

I wouldn't change that in any way. I'd might make it an Arguments class, but I wound't make what parser returns merely a dict.

commandersaki1d ago

Yeah, so what happens when you have an option with a '-' in it that isn't valid as a variable name (I know what happens). It's just stupid.

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