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0 pointsabustamam2mo ago0 comments

This is a good point. I've seen people with really complex AI setups (multiple agents collaborating for hours). But what are they building? Are they building a react app with an express backend? A next js app? Which itself is a layer on top of an abstraction?

I haven't tried this myself but I'm curious if an LLM could build a scalable, maintainable app that doesn't use a framework or external libraries. Could be danger due to lack of training data but I think it's important to build stuff that people use, not stuff that people use to build stuff that people use to build stuff that....

Not that meta frameworks aren't valuable, but I think they're often solving the wrong problem.

0 pointsabustamam2mo ago0 comments

Not that meta frameworks aren't valuable, but I think they're often solving the wrong problem.

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jimbokun2mo ago· 3 in thread

When it comes time to debug would you rather ask questions about and dig through code in a popular open source library, or dig through code generated by an LLM specifically for your project?

abustamamOP2mo ago

The copout answer is it depends. I've debugged sloppy code in React both before and after LLMs were commonly used. I've also debugged very well-written custom frameworks before and after LLMs.

I think with proper guardrails and verification/validation, a custom framework could be easier to maintain than sloppy React code (or insert popular framework here).

My point is that as long as we keep the status quo of how software is built (using popular tools that male it fast and easy to build software without LLMs that often were unperformant), we'll keep heading down this path of trying to solve the problems of frameworks instead of directly solving the problems with our app.

(BTW, it was your comment to my comment that inspired my comment, talk about meta! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47512874 )

apsurd2mo ago

If the LLM doing it, it doesn't matter, isn't that the point?

Not saying I personally believe in this scenario, but everything I've heard supports the idea that code is no longer for humans to consume.

jimbokun2mo ago

You are going to allow a product from a company you have no reason to trust write important software for you and put it into production without checking the code to see what it does?

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