Pentagon Adopts New Limits for Journalists After Court Loss (opens in new tab)

(nytimes.com)

89 pointsdoener2d ago21 comments

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Not sure why people haven't figured it out - bad news is only happening if it is reported. So if you could simply stop reporting the bad news, then they wouldn't be happening. Seems pretty obvious to me.

It's similar to testing in software development. The more tests you have, the more the tests can break. Therefore the ideal number of tests is zero - no tests, no red builds.

Not sure why people can't get with the program here.

mandeepj2d ago

Reminds me of - Stop the testing to reduce Covid cases.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/23/trump-joking-slowin...

AgentOrange12342d ago

I remember thinking this was ridiculous when he said it. It's wild how it ended up being the ultimate approach.

thinkcontext2d ago

I'm reminded of during the Iraq occupation how Dick Cheney scolded the media for not saying how great things were going and said how much he liked Fox's coverage. And how not long after it was no longer possible to deny that things had gone terribly wrong and things weren't actually so rosy.

brookst2d ago

Yep. Same reason going to the doctor is fatal. A cancer diagnosis is terrifying and correlates to dying of cancer. Why would anyone take the risk?

ProAm2d ago

Crime, fraud, bribery, assaults, supreme court tampering, supreme court buy outs, government waste, the list is long for the program at hand.

beloch2d ago

"Instead of signing the new policy, the Times journalists — along with dozens of reporters from other outlets — turned in their press passes, opting to cover the military from outside the complex. The Pentagon later welcomed a reconstituted press corps consisting of pro-Trump commentators and influencers."

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kelseyfrog2d ago

In the same vein as, "it's the police who create crime."

soraminazuki2d ago

They literally do. There's been numerous cases of undercover cops manipulating mentally ill people into committing crimes they otherwise wouldn't have.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqwJFuntco4

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raw_anon_11112d ago

Just for context: the first policy was so bad that even Fox News wouldn’t go along with it.

mpalmer2d ago

I hadn't realized the Times isn't going along with the DoD "de-brand". On this occasion, I will hand it to them.

nkurz2d ago

https://archive.is/JOlEv

OutOfHere1d ago

It was bad enough that the Pentagon hardly shares any bad news. When bad news gets exposed by third parties, e.g. strikes on US facilities and planes, also on Iran's schools and civilian buildings, the Pentagon only covers it up with lies or censure. Any organization that is not committed to spreading the truth is not a good organization, and suppression is worse.

6thbit2d ago

What’s the diff with the new text? Only the word “solicitation” removed?

CSMastermind2d ago

Well it was nice to have at least some military actions that didn't leak ahead of time.

nomel2d ago

Reference? Or maybe expand on it a bit?

CSMastermind2d ago

The raid on Venezula and the strikes on Iran were some of the first military operations that didn't leak to the media that I can remember (with the exception of the Bin Laden raid I can't think of another big one during my lifetime?).

Both happened after they kicked journalists out of the Pentagon and I have to think that it played at least some role in the secrecy.

The earlier strikes on Iran's nuclear facilities before the change were leaked, though not the details of the mission, just that they were happening.

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_doctor_love2d ago

It's similar to testing in software development. The more tests you have, the more the tests can break. Therefore the ideal number of tests is zero - no tests, no red builds.

Not sure why people can't get with the program here.

mandeepj2d ago

Reminds me of - Stop the testing to reduce Covid cases.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/23/trump-joking-slowin...

AgentOrange12342d ago

I remember thinking this was ridiculous when he said it. It's wild how it ended up being the ultimate approach.

thinkcontext2d ago

brookst2d ago

Yep. Same reason going to the doctor is fatal. A cancer diagnosis is terrifying and correlates to dying of cancer. Why would anyone take the risk?

ProAm2d ago

Crime, fraud, bribery, assaults, supreme court tampering, supreme court buy outs, government waste, the list is long for the program at hand.

beloch2d ago

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kelseyfrog2d ago

In the same vein as, "it's the police who create crime."

soraminazuki2d ago

They literally do. There's been numerous cases of undercover cops manipulating mentally ill people into committing crimes they otherwise wouldn't have.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqwJFuntco4

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raw_anon_11112d ago

Just for context: the first policy was so bad that even Fox News wouldn’t go along with it.

mpalmer2d ago

I hadn't realized the Times isn't going along with the DoD "de-brand". On this occasion, I will hand it to them.

nkurz2d ago

https://archive.is/JOlEv

OutOfHere1d ago

6thbit2d ago

What’s the diff with the new text? Only the word “solicitation” removed?

CSMastermind2d ago

Well it was nice to have at least some military actions that didn't leak ahead of time.

nomel2d ago

Reference? Or maybe expand on it a bit?

CSMastermind2d ago

Both happened after they kicked journalists out of the Pentagon and I have to think that it played at least some role in the secrecy.

The earlier strikes on Iran's nuclear facilities before the change were leaked, though not the details of the mission, just that they were happening.

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