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0 pointsbrightball3mo ago0 comments

Let’s have a serious conversation about downplaying things because this is where all of these conversations go sideways.

Many people, myself included, watch very loud righteous indignation about this awful event…while hearing absolutely nothing from the same people about…

- The Iranian women’s soccer team who are returning home from asylum to likely torture and execution due to regime threats against their families.

- The thousands of Iranian protesters who were shot by the regime.

- The 19 year old wrestling champion who was executed for participating in a protest.

Nobody is saying the school wasn’t terrible, but it’s not some situation where if we just leave the regime in power it’s going to be all sunshine and roses over there.

Show equal parts outrage and people will take you more seriously. Show equal parts outrage and you will find far more outrage from leaving the regime in power.

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applfanboysbgon3mo ago· 2 in thread

The entire reason the current Iranian regime exists is because the US overthrew their democracy to replace it with a monarchy that was friendly to their oil interests, which was then overthrown by a popular revolution. Maybe the US should stay the fuck out of Iran because it's not the US's fucking business, and it is most certainly not acting benevolently out of desire to help the people of Iran.

> while hearing absolutely nothing from the same people about…

Also, really? You think anybody who opposes the US bombing a school is cheering on protestors being shot and all other crimes of the Iranian regime? Well, I guess I'll be the first: Iranian regime bad. Killing protestors bad. Executing dissenters bad. There you go. Your argument is defeated. You can no longer make that claim. But I reckon most people aren't couching their statements by bringing up the whudabbouts because first it's not the direct topic of the conversation, and second it's a fucking given. But it being a given that X is bad does not justify doing more bad things.

brightballOP3mo ago

Totally agree with you. The US also created the Bin Laden problem.

That genie isn’t going back in the bottle though so now we have to deal with the very real threat to the world that we certainly had a hand in creating.

Glad to hear your opposition to all of the evil as well. The desire for vocal, social righteous indignation with most of this dialog does not follow your fervor though. People remain silent until it supports their local politics, for the most part.

Hikikomori3mo ago

The Genie was in the bottle until trump removed it in 2017.

UncleMeat3mo ago

Okay. We can consider this war to be about regime change when Israel and the US give up strategic planning to revolutionaries in Iran.

zzrrt3mo ago

I would reply point-by-point to show US hypocrisy, but that might be too much whataboutism. I think I'll just say this one: this is the only time Trump has pretended to care about the lives of brown-skinned protestors. He literally has asked whether he could intentionally shoot American protestors legally.

He doesn't care about the Iranian people either, so there's some other reason. I'm not going to carry water for a secretly-motivated war where the "good" effects are secondary, post-hoc rationalizations.

At least just say they're a grave threat we should destroy or whatever, don't play along with the game that the American government and people care so much for Muslims on the other side of the world.

testaccount283mo ago

i think the poster you're replying to does not regard iranians as capable of independent decisions. thus, the school deaths are a crime, but the dead protesters are more like a weather event: a tragedy.

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