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0 pointsrootusrootus3mo ago0 comments

> I say this because while I'm not a doctor I think GLP-1 is probably unnecessary for the vast majority of patients.

We have mountains of evidence that willpower fails for something like 99% of everyone, which is far from a vast majority. I applaud anyone's efforts to become healthier, however (though 240 at 6'1" is still obese, I would still explore medicine if I could not get any lower "naturally").

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sublinear3mo ago· 2 in thread

Thanks for the reply. Your perspective framing this as "willpower" is precisely what I'm concerned about.

I didn't need any willpower to do this and I'm not even humblebragging nor think of myself as a tough guy. I'm saying that healthy habits are simply a matter of understanding. If someone wants to take GLP-1 on top of that, it's their call. Many seem to be under the impression it's so vital for their specific situation to lose weight or avoid a heart attack and I think that's plainly false. We shouldn't be feeding fear, and humans aren't that unique.

I did not change my diet. If anything I just added more variety with a specific intent and it worked. Even just changing the order in which one eats things (fiber before sugary foods) can make a big difference. Once I got the blood glucose under control all the strong cravings and eating mistakes basically went away on their own without my conscious effort. The body is all connected and driven by hormones.

cthalupa3mo ago

> I'm saying that healthy habits are simply a matter of understanding.

Plenty of people have heard everything there is to hear on this, understand it, and still fail to implement it.

> I did not change my diet.

You plainly did. You do not lose weight without your diet changing.

> If anything I just added more variety with a specific intent and it worked.

This is changing your diet.

> Even just changing the order in which one eats things (fiber before sugary foods) can make a big difference

Changing your diet to eat more filling foods is a very frequently recommended thing, yes.

> Once I got the blood glucose under control all the strong cravings and eating mistakes basically went away on their own without my conscious effort.

My blood glucose has always been excellent. It did not stop me from having food noise and cravings.

sublinear3mo ago

Sorry, you're right. I meant that I did not make significant changes to my diet. My point was I didn't really change what I eat, but how I eat. I still hate certain vegetables like carrots, kale, brussel sprouts, etc. and just added more of the nutritionally equivalent and culinarily far superior vegetables I was already eating.

That's not willpower. That's looking things up in the USDA database and tweaking my existing recipes. Why force nasty carrots onto the plate when I can eat spinach, cantaloupe, pumpkin, sweet potato, etc.?

I guess I also didn't emphasize enough that I took things super slowly? Taking 5 years to do what I did is a really modest goal. I just wanted to manage risk with minimal change. This is the pareto principle in action.

If we're really going to argue over stats, the effects of GLP-1 is meaningless noise in comparison and probably way harder to commit to. I just wanted to eat good and not feel like shit all the time. Isn't that what everyone wants? What if instead of there being "one weird trick" or a "miracle drug", we consider that basic nutrition is simply misunderstood and full of hundreds of weird tricks that are proportionally much easier to implement and they're damn tasty too?

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jakevoytko3mo ago

My doctor, who is on the older side, told me that he went through his records when GLP-1s started being prescribed for weight loss. He wanted to calculate what percentage of his patients (a) he had advised to lose weight, (b) reduced their weight to healthy levels, (c) and kept it off.

From the starting population of overweight people, only 3% of people dropped down to, and stayed, a healthy weight.

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