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0 pointsjghn6d ago0 comments

> But will companies start hiring again?

Anecdata, but the few people I know who were looking to switch gigs all had multiple offers within a few weeks. One thing they all had in common was taking a very targeted approach with their search and leveraging their networks. Not spamming thousands of resumes into the ether.

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jmye6d ago

> leveraging their networks

Just finished a search - agree. The resume process is fundamentally broken, but a strong network makes it irrelevant. Lean on connections - there's a ton of opportunity out there.

amunozo4d ago

I'm looking for jobs after my PhD and I notice the same things. I only get interviews and advance in processes when I target the right jobs and companies. Sadly, not too much network to leverage.

GeoAtreides6d ago

so you either are well connected or you starve, got it

guess it's death and destitute for introverts

edit: please explain the downvotes, i'm curious why you think i'm wrong

if what op says it's true, that today only networking works, then it easily follows that if for some reasons you do not have a network then you don't get hired

QuiEgo4d ago

fwiw this is how it's always been. You don't have to be some kind of extreme extrovert, but people who are good at what they do tend to enjoy working with other people who are good at what they do, and when they see someone they recognize as "I'd work with this guy again" they put in the minimal effort to stay in contact - a hello text every few months, a cup of coffee every few years, that type of thing. Thats all it takes. If you're not doing that, yeah, you're in for a world of hurt when you go job hunting.

GeoAtreides4d ago

>a hello text every few months, a cup of coffee every few years

sounds like hell to me

amunozo4d ago

Selecting where to apply and who you contact for it is also very important.

lionkor5d ago

I'm currently involved in the hiring process in our company, selecting engineers for my team. If someone applies who has the programming language we ask for in their CV, they get a first interview. If they can read code, and write VERY basic code, they will get through at least the first 2 rounds without any issues.

If people put down the AI, and actually learn how to write a `for` loop, they would be more hire-able than 50% of candidates.

> "Guess it's death [...] for introverts"

There is a meritocracy somewhere in our capitalist system. Not everyone participates, but it exists.

GeoAtreides5d ago

OP was saying the only way to get hired is through work connections

of course if the process doesn't involve networking then we don't have a problem, we agree on that

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bogzz6d ago

Seems like that is the case, yes.

bigstrat20035d ago

Bro I'm an introvert and I have work connections. It isn't hard.

GeoAtreides5d ago

> I have work connections.

> It isn't hard.

you're not an introvert then

jghnOP5d ago

Anyone who has been in the industry for several years or more should have people they can reach out to. That’s not being well connected.

This is really just a reversion to how things used to work, relying on human connections. People seemed to manage to get jobs 30 years ago just fine

tavavex5d ago

What if you weren't in the industry for several years or more? New grads are completely walled off from the industry because very few employers are willing to give them a shot anymore, even at minimum wage and no other demands from this most desperate worker segment. The few connections I scraped together weren't helpful because barely anyone is hiring juniors anymore. Having one of the resumes on top of someone's pile is only helpful if they ever get to using it. If you're at the lower end of the market, you have to be very exceptional or very lucky. Otherwise, you're done for.

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jmye6d ago

> leveraging their networks

Just finished a search - agree. The resume process is fundamentally broken, but a strong network makes it irrelevant. Lean on connections - there's a ton of opportunity out there.

amunozo4d ago

I'm looking for jobs after my PhD and I notice the same things. I only get interviews and advance in processes when I target the right jobs and companies. Sadly, not too much network to leverage.

GeoAtreides6d ago

so you either are well connected or you starve, got it

guess it's death and destitute for introverts

edit: please explain the downvotes, i'm curious why you think i'm wrong

if what op says it's true, that today only networking works, then it easily follows that if for some reasons you do not have a network then you don't get hired

QuiEgo4d ago

GeoAtreides4d ago

>a hello text every few months, a cup of coffee every few years

sounds like hell to me

amunozo4d ago

Selecting where to apply and who you contact for it is also very important.

lionkor5d ago

If people put down the AI, and actually learn how to write a `for` loop, they would be more hire-able than 50% of candidates.

> "Guess it's death [...] for introverts"

There is a meritocracy somewhere in our capitalist system. Not everyone participates, but it exists.

GeoAtreides5d ago

OP was saying the only way to get hired is through work connections

of course if the process doesn't involve networking then we don't have a problem, we agree on that

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bogzz6d ago

Seems like that is the case, yes.

bigstrat20035d ago

Bro I'm an introvert and I have work connections. It isn't hard.

GeoAtreides5d ago

> I have work connections.

> It isn't hard.

you're not an introvert then

jghnOP5d ago

Anyone who has been in the industry for several years or more should have people they can reach out to. That’s not being well connected.

This is really just a reversion to how things used to work, relying on human connections. People seemed to manage to get jobs 30 years ago just fine

tavavex5d ago

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