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0 pointspalata3mo ago0 comments

Anecdotally, my experience with Wayland has been a lot better than with X11. I have been on Wayland for years, I can't remember the last time I had an issue (running Sway).

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bigyabai3mo ago· 12 in thread

Additionally, the Steam Deck ships with Wayland by default. Hundreds of thousands of gamers are stress-testing it without any complaint that I'm aware of.

tliltocatl3mo ago

Games isn't exactly the best stress test for a windowing system. Most (if not all) run in full-screen mode and don't really use it much after the launch. And that's not what desktop computing is about. You want to run multiple programs, you want them to integrate with each other. But games don't need any of this.

dismalaf3mo ago

> you want them to integrate with each other.

Do you? Not going to lie, I'm perfectly happy just using the apps I want to use and having none of them talk to each other. 90% of my use is covered by Vivaldi (browser stuff which is most stuff these days) and Kitty (Neovim, random TUIs and utilities). The few other apps I have are Steam, Krita and Blender, which are all worlds unto themselves and have no need to integrate with anything.

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palataOP3mo ago

There is a "Desktop mode" that I, at least, use more than the handheld mode. Not sure if it's running Wayland though.

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flohofwoe3mo ago

Running fullscreen games on a single fixed hardware configuration isn't exactly 'stress-testing', it just tells you that a single code path works.

cwnyth3mo ago

Just guessing, are we?

https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/1445kc7/citie...

kingaillas3mo ago

That post is 3 years old, so basically around 1 year into the Steam Deck's release.

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Ferret74463mo ago

It ships with Wayland, but it does almost everything with X(wayland)

bigyabai3mo ago

Wine 9.22+ has the native Wayland backend by default. Now Xwayland is barely needed.

jauntywundrkind3mo ago

As someone who uses my steam deck as a workstation too, I really really wish this were fully true. The desktop is still X based, and that suuuccckkksss.

raron3mo ago

The next SteamOS release will use Wayland by default for desktop mode, too:

https://steamcommunity.com/games/1675200/announcements/detai...

bigyabai3mo ago

The desktop sure, but the primary handheld mode uses Gamescope which is a Wayland-based session.

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ThatMedicIsASpy3mo ago

I've had bazzite on mine for a year and wayland by default

Ferret74463mo ago· 5 in thread

I suspect part of that is the Xorg maintainers (who are also behind Wayland efforts) are actively trying to kill it and make it as unbearable as possible

ploxiln3mo ago

I'm still using Xorg after all these years, on a laptop with 150% scaling, which I occasionally plug into an external monitor with 100% scaling. Somewhat surprisingly, it works great. (Cinnamon desktop, Ryzen 7840u integrated graphics. And also a desktop machine with Radeon RX 6800XT, but it's not surprising that still works great.)

kibwen3mo ago

It's all open-source. If you think the maintainers are trying to sabotage the codebase, you have the freedom to fork it.

throwawa142233mo ago

I don’t get all of what’s going on but from the outside it seems like the xLibre guys got a lot of negative attention for doing that.

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coldtea3mo ago

"If you don't like the direction of a multi-decade-long, hundreds of manyears, deeply esoteric project, you have the freedom to go in, fork it, and maintain it"

is the most technically true, practically meaningless argument in FOSS

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throw0101c3mo ago

> If you think the maintainers are trying to sabotage the codebase, you have the freedom to fork it.

But do you have the skill to actually maintain that fork? Do you have the time to keep it going?

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c0balt3mo ago· 4 in thread

Same here, there are some pain points with swaywm (notably screen sharing is only per display, DisplayLink support and screen mirroring is a pain). Most of these points however are IME a worthwhile tradeoff. Sway has also been astoundingly stable (compared to gnome or KDE)

schemar3mo ago

With the next release of sway (1.12) you should be able to share individual windows.

https://github.com/emersion/xdg-desktop-portal-wlr/issues/10...

https://github.com/swaywm/sway/issues/8170#issuecomment-3962...

c0balt3mo ago

Thank you for pointing that out, I'm looking forward to this release a lot then

pacifika3mo ago

> I can't remember the last time I had an issue

Depending on your workflows the comment just described three issues

ghighi78783mo ago

Kde has been stable too So much more than x11 kde

bhewes3mo ago· 1 in thread

Same here. Wayland has been fine. (Hyprland)

snapplebobapple3mo ago

Me too. I just swapped waybar etc for the dank shell etc and love the setup. It feels polished now

enceladus063mo ago

Exactly. Ubuntu LTS 24 and Intel integrated GPU + Wayland is zero problems even when running 4k120 and 150% scaled resolution. Chrome / vscode / zed / Rstudio / Youtube 4k60, it just works.

Edit this is running a 32" 2160p120 (4k) monitor alongside a 24" 1080p144 monitor.

packetlost3mo ago

I second this. I had issues years ago, but those have mostly been fixed.

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bigyabai3mo ago· 12 in thread

Additionally, the Steam Deck ships with Wayland by default. Hundreds of thousands of gamers are stress-testing it without any complaint that I'm aware of.

tliltocatl3mo ago

dismalaf3mo ago

> you want them to integrate with each other.

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palataOP3mo ago

There is a "Desktop mode" that I, at least, use more than the handheld mode. Not sure if it's running Wayland though.

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flohofwoe3mo ago

Running fullscreen games on a single fixed hardware configuration isn't exactly 'stress-testing', it just tells you that a single code path works.

cwnyth3mo ago

Just guessing, are we?

https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/1445kc7/citie...

kingaillas3mo ago

That post is 3 years old, so basically around 1 year into the Steam Deck's release.

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Ferret74463mo ago

It ships with Wayland, but it does almost everything with X(wayland)

bigyabai3mo ago

Wine 9.22+ has the native Wayland backend by default. Now Xwayland is barely needed.

jauntywundrkind3mo ago

As someone who uses my steam deck as a workstation too, I really really wish this were fully true. The desktop is still X based, and that suuuccckkksss.

raron3mo ago

The next SteamOS release will use Wayland by default for desktop mode, too:

https://steamcommunity.com/games/1675200/announcements/detai...

bigyabai3mo ago

The desktop sure, but the primary handheld mode uses Gamescope which is a Wayland-based session.

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ThatMedicIsASpy3mo ago

I've had bazzite on mine for a year and wayland by default

Ferret74463mo ago· 5 in thread

I suspect part of that is the Xorg maintainers (who are also behind Wayland efforts) are actively trying to kill it and make it as unbearable as possible

ploxiln3mo ago

kibwen3mo ago

It's all open-source. If you think the maintainers are trying to sabotage the codebase, you have the freedom to fork it.

throwawa142233mo ago

I don’t get all of what’s going on but from the outside it seems like the xLibre guys got a lot of negative attention for doing that.

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coldtea3mo ago

"If you don't like the direction of a multi-decade-long, hundreds of manyears, deeply esoteric project, you have the freedom to go in, fork it, and maintain it"

is the most technically true, practically meaningless argument in FOSS

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throw0101c3mo ago

> If you think the maintainers are trying to sabotage the codebase, you have the freedom to fork it.

But do you have the skill to actually maintain that fork? Do you have the time to keep it going?

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c0balt3mo ago· 4 in thread

schemar3mo ago

With the next release of sway (1.12) you should be able to share individual windows.

https://github.com/emersion/xdg-desktop-portal-wlr/issues/10...

https://github.com/swaywm/sway/issues/8170#issuecomment-3962...

c0balt3mo ago

Thank you for pointing that out, I'm looking forward to this release a lot then

pacifika3mo ago

> I can't remember the last time I had an issue

Depending on your workflows the comment just described three issues

ghighi78783mo ago

Kde has been stable too So much more than x11 kde

bhewes3mo ago· 1 in thread

Same here. Wayland has been fine. (Hyprland)

snapplebobapple3mo ago

Me too. I just swapped waybar etc for the dank shell etc and love the setup. It feels polished now

enceladus063mo ago

Exactly. Ubuntu LTS 24 and Intel integrated GPU + Wayland is zero problems even when running 4k120 and 150% scaled resolution. Chrome / vscode / zed / Rstudio / Youtube 4k60, it just works.

Edit this is running a 32" 2160p120 (4k) monitor alongside a 24" 1080p144 monitor.

packetlost3mo ago

I second this. I had issues years ago, but those have mostly been fixed.

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