Teens sue xAI over Grok's pornographic images of them | Better HN

Teens sue xAI over Grok's pornographic images of them | Better HN

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paxys9d ago

I bet shareholders of SpaceX are thrilled to be exposed to this for no reason

SpaceX owners do not care. If they were risk-averse, they would have dumped SpaceX like it was toxic waste.

In a broader sense, this "I bet Oracle shareholders hate their bad PR" attitude is really zero-sum. It's pervasive on HN, and we rarely ever see bad PR snowball beyond niche discussions. I want $BIGCORP to collapse as much as the next guy, but the outrage-derived comments don't seem to reflect the market's response.

I mean, there's "this is a risky investment in rockets and stuff" and then there is "this is a risky investment in rockets and stuff which has for some reason been coupled to a CSAM generator". One is going to be more off-putting to investors than the other.

You would lose this bet.

josefritzishere9d ago

This is a legit tech topic. I disagree with the flagging. Legal and responsible technology use is a material area of discussion.

ndsipa_pomu8d ago

I don't understand why it was flagged unless it's just someone flagging anything negative about Musk related projects (which I don't think it is at all a valid reason).

Yeah, nah, it's that. Always happens.

christianqchung8d ago

Does it get flagged because of users or dang/admin? I don't see any other reason for this to get flagged.

That's exactly it. Everything negative about Musk gets flagged and downvoted, and the moderation doesn't care about that.

But poor, helpless little Elon must be protected from mean comments at all costs.

Elon's simps tend to flag everything which is unfavourable to dear leader; this being flagged is nothing in particular to do with the actual topic.

ndsipa_pomu8d ago

As there exist laws to protect against someone abusing someone's name/reputation (i.e. libel and slander), there should also be laws to protect against abusing someone's image. It does not seem reasonable for people/companies to be allowed to manipulate an image of someone to misrepresent a situation.

coolguysailer9d ago

I'm kind of curious what precedent this will set. It's pretty easy to create deepfake sexual content already and has been for years now. The grok thing is absurdly easy though on some level. To actually get full blown sexual content though I think is substantially more difficult and probably falls into the realm of hacking almost, that being said, it is of course possible. But it makes me wonder where the line lives for something like this. The people who did this are obviously scum of course and deserve to be punished, but by that argument facebook/instagram/whatsapp/whatever group-chats of leaked sex tapes have probably done far more damage.

rawgabbit8d ago

In the past, you could be fined and jailed for violating a community's standard for obscene material. With global companies, their multinational status doesn't stop a small country from issuing arrest warrants. Whether they will be carried out is another matter.

Missing from such articles is a key information: who paid for the lawyers? I doubt teenage income would pay for a retainer.

As so often, following the money will reveal who actually has an interest here.

In the US, lawyers may generally work on a contingency basis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contingent_fee), and many lawyers and law firms also do pro bono work. That is, almost certainly no-one has paid for the lawyers, though if they manage to recover anything the lawyers may be due a cut.

ndsipa_pomu8d ago

I think it is in almost everyone's interest to ensure that people cannot be abused in such a fashion. Maybe people who wish to destroy society would condone this kind of abuse.

It's also possible for lawyers to take on cases on the understanding that they only get paid if they win.

Anthony-G8d ago

Occam’s razor would suggest that it’s the same group of active natalists who subsidise the teenagers’ housing, education and healthcare – none of which are any cheaper than lawyers.

> As so often, following the money will reveal who actually has an interest here.

Do you mean to imply that the teens are a tool used by some secret cabal to attack Musk? Most likely their parents are paying for the lawyers in an attempt to get some justice from a billionaire that enabled a fucked up case of CSAM.

ndsipa_pomu8d ago

More than just enabling a fucked up case of CSAM, it's more like an energy intensive, environment destroying factory that produces CSAM.

Once again, I'm asking when we can start the Butlerian Jihad?

Incidentally, is the USA now becoming a safe haven for pedophiles? It just seems odd how other countries are investigating high profile people with ties to Epstein, but the USA celebrates them and even votes the biggest offender into the highest office.

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