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0 pointshimata411311d ago0 comments

Economics work out, harder to make means that it's more profitable to do so. DMA crackdown has actually lead into innovation which has drove the prices down for "normal" DMA hardware what used to be thousands is now $120, excessive spoofing detection has driven down the cost of bios level spoofing and as a result the creation of bios level DMA backdoors - no additional hardware required.

ESP is a lot more obvious to a machine than one might think, the subtle behavior differences are obvious to a human and even more so for a model. Of course none of that can be proven, but it can increase the scrutiny of such players from player reports.

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maccard11d ago

The number of people willing to spend $120 and hook up a hardware device compared to downloading and running an executable is significantly less. That’s kind of the point of it!

kay_o11d ago

You are already spending more than $120/month on the executable. The hardware device cheap inclus

himata4113OP11d ago

You can achieve the same with usermode anticheats, once you have bare minimum obfuscations the level of entry is roughly the same as kernel mode anticheats in terms of price. Cheats cost more than $100 a month (rest are scams or don't put any effort into being undetected).

maccard11d ago

A DMA cheat requires a hardware change (and a second device). That is a much higher barrier than a download plus reboot.

> you can achieve the same with user mode anticheats

A user mode anti cheat is immediately defeated by a kernel mode cheat, and cheaters have already moved past this in practice.

A user mode anti cheat (on windows) with admin privileges has pretty much full system access anyway, so presumably if you have a problem with kernel AC you also have a problem with user mode.

Lastly, cheating is an arms race. While in theory, the cheaters will always win, the only thing that actually matters is what the cheaters are doing in practice. Kernel mode is default even for free cheats you download, so the defaults have to cover that.

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maccard11d ago

The number of people willing to spend $120 and hook up a hardware device compared to downloading and running an executable is significantly less. That’s kind of the point of it!

kay_o11d ago

You are already spending more than $120/month on the executable. The hardware device cheap inclus

himata4113OP11d ago

maccard11d ago

A DMA cheat requires a hardware change (and a second device). That is a much higher barrier than a download plus reboot.

> you can achieve the same with user mode anticheats

A user mode anti cheat is immediately defeated by a kernel mode cheat, and cheaters have already moved past this in practice.

A user mode anti cheat (on windows) with admin privileges has pretty much full system access anyway, so presumably if you have a problem with kernel AC you also have a problem with user mode.

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