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0 pointssomeguyiguess13d ago0 comments

I probably don't have all the info on the various laws across the US and EU that are being pushed, but I'm confused why Linux distros don't just update their licensing and add a notice on the installation screen that it is illegal to run their OS in places where these laws exist?

Heck, Linus Torvalds should just add an amendment to the next release of the Linux Kernel that makes it illegal to use in any jurisdiction that requires age verification laws.

This would obviously cause such a massive disruption (especially in California) that the age laws would have to be rolled back immediately.

This seems like a no-brainer to me but I am admittedly ignorant on this situation. I'm sure there's a good reason why this isn't happening if anyone cares to explain.

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PeterisP13d ago

That would be a violation of the copyright law or the GPL licence - you aren't permitted to take GPL code and redistribute it with some extra restrictions added on to it.

If it's not (fully) your code, you aren't free to set the licence conditions; Linus can't do that without getting approval from 100% (not 99% or so) of authors who contributed code.

What one can do is add an informative disclaimer saying "To the best of our knowledge, installing or running this thing in California is prohibited - we permit to do whatever you want with it, but how you'll comply with that law is your business".

BeetleB13d ago

You can if you own the copyright to the content. I don't know the state of Linux, but this is a reason the FSF (and many other projects) requires people assign their copyright to them when they submit code.

It also helps when you take an offender to court. If I contribute to a project but don't assign copyright, then they cannot take offenders to court if my code was copied illegally. The burden is on me to do so.

Of course, all code released prior to the change still remains on the original license.

eikenberry13d ago

The FSF stopped requiring copyright assignment in 2021.

bregma13d ago

The Linux kernel is licensed GPLv2. The GPLv2 license forbids adding addition terms that further restrict the use of the software.

A "Linux distro" is not the Linux kernel. It's possible for some distros to add such license terms to their distribution media, but others like Debian and Debian-based ones adhere to the GPL so no go.

gzread13d ago

Because they want market share, and throwing a hissyfit over being asked to add an "I am over 18" checkbox is not good PR. If Debian starts refusing to work in California because it doesn't want to add a checkbox, it will simply be replaced by someone who adds that checkbox and doesn't throw the fit.

troyvit13d ago

As the article says, it's not about just checking a box:

"Every OS provider must then: provide an interface at account setup collecting a birth date or age, and expose a real-time API that broadcasts the user's age bracket (under 13, 13 to 15, 16 to 17, 18+) to any application running on the system."

Aunche13d ago

There is no requirement that the OS has to verify the person's ID. It literally just requires a dropdown menu to select your age bracket.

gzread13d ago

Fine, a drop-down menu, not a checkbox. They're throwing a hissy fit over a drop-down menu with 4 items.

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kbelder13d ago

I disagree slightly. It may not be good business, but it could be good PR, situationally. I expect a lot of 2nd-tier distros will refuse to implement it, and see a boost in their installs as a result.

Debian, Ubuntu, etc., they'll all fall right in line because the clear and immediate losses will outweigh any PR issue.

gzread13d ago

When they fall in line and add the age bracket drop-down menu, we'll keep using them because throwing a hissy fit over a distribution allowing you to select your age bracket is very obviously stupid.

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mvdwoord13d ago

Would be funny indeed... And also curious why nobody does that.

shagie13d ago

https://www.gnu.org/licenses/old-licenses/gpl-2.0.en.html

    6. Each time you redistribute the Program (or any work based on the Program), the recipient automatically receives a license from the original licensor to copy, distribute or modify the Program subject to these terms and conditions. You may not impose any further restrictions on the recipients' exercise of the rights granted herein. You are not responsible for enforcing compliance by third parties to this License.

It would be in violation of the GPL and such a license would not be an OSI approved license.

https://opensource.org/osd

    5. No Discrimination Against Persons or Groups

    The license must not discriminate against any person or group of persons.

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PeterisP13d ago

That would be a violation of the copyright law or the GPL licence - you aren't permitted to take GPL code and redistribute it with some extra restrictions added on to it.

If it's not (fully) your code, you aren't free to set the licence conditions; Linus can't do that without getting approval from 100% (not 99% or so) of authors who contributed code.

BeetleB13d ago

Of course, all code released prior to the change still remains on the original license.

eikenberry13d ago

The FSF stopped requiring copyright assignment in 2021.

bregma13d ago

The Linux kernel is licensed GPLv2. The GPLv2 license forbids adding addition terms that further restrict the use of the software.

gzread13d ago

troyvit13d ago

As the article says, it's not about just checking a box:

Aunche13d ago

There is no requirement that the OS has to verify the person's ID. It literally just requires a dropdown menu to select your age bracket.

gzread13d ago

Fine, a drop-down menu, not a checkbox. They're throwing a hissy fit over a drop-down menu with 4 items.

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kbelder13d ago

Debian, Ubuntu, etc., they'll all fall right in line because the clear and immediate losses will outweigh any PR issue.

gzread13d ago

When they fall in line and add the age bracket drop-down menu, we'll keep using them because throwing a hissy fit over a distribution allowing you to select your age bracket is very obviously stupid.

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mvdwoord13d ago

Would be funny indeed... And also curious why nobody does that.

shagie13d ago

https://www.gnu.org/licenses/old-licenses/gpl-2.0.en.html

    6. Each time you redistribute the Program (or any work based on the Program), the recipient automatically receives a license from the original licensor to copy, distribute or modify the Program subject to these terms and conditions. You may not impose any further restrictions on the recipients' exercise of the rights granted herein. You are not responsible for enforcing compliance by third parties to this License.

It would be in violation of the GPL and such a license would not be an OSI approved license.

https://opensource.org/osd

    5. No Discrimination Against Persons or Groups

    The license must not discriminate against any person or group of persons.

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