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0 pointsShin--2mo ago0 comments

Hilarious take. China and India have historically emitted much less carbon than many western countries, per capita they emit less Co2, and a large part of emission is to produce for western countries, which have effectively outsourced their emissions to other (poorer) countries.

At the same time, the US is the main force fighting against carbon neutrality, renewable energy and pretty much anything reasonable. By directly burning a lot of fossil fuels and by lobbying and poisoning discourse in other countries.

Meanwhile China is by far the biggest producer of anything related to renewable energies and installing more renewable energy than the rest of the world, by far.

If anything, the work done worldwide does no matter (it still does though) because USA is doing their best to destroy the planet.

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tgsovlerkhgsel2mo ago

China has long surpassed most countries in per-capita emissions and is still on an upward trajectory. India is on an upward trajectory but still below the world average. The US and Canada are higher than China but on a downward trajectory. The EU is on a downward trajectory and below China.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/co-emissions-per-capita

Tiktaalik2mo ago

Those are our emissions that we have exported to china. Your TV, Phone, etc etc isn't built in NA.

gedy2mo ago

You quickly start seeing people's root biases about when you bringing info like this up, "well but historically ...", "you know, the colonialism", "per capita ...", etc. I wish we could deal with the here and now and deal with this scientifically.

cbeach2mo ago

You're right. When I posted some facts about Chinese and Indian emissions, my post was actually flagged by someone who didn't want those facts to be known. When it comes to the climate, the Left are not interested in honest pursuit of science - they just cherry pick data that supports their neo-Marxist agenda of redistributing wealth and capabilities from the West to the East, driven by their hatred of the West and its success under capitalism.

tlogan2mo ago

Using the IEA’s 2024 energy-related CO₂ data, advanced economies emitted 10.9 billion tonnes out of a global 37.8 billion tonnes in 2024, which is about 28.8% of the world total.

So if developed countries completely eliminate all pollution we will reduce it by 30%. Good. Then what is the next step? War with China? Attack India?

[1] https://www.iea.org/reports/global-energy-review-2025/co2-em...

acdha2mo ago

Let China continue to cancel fossil fuel plants as they roll out renewables and electrify at rapid scale? It’s not 1980, China is leading a lot of key technologies and they’re looking like they value long-term planning a lot more than we do.

To the extent that they need a nudge, a carbon tax would be very effective for correcting export market incentives, too.

tlogan2mo ago

They are doing so good that they increased their emission by 4.7% from 2022 to 2023. /s

acdha2mo ago

Which was part of a slow down which recently hit the crossover point:

https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-chinas-co2-emissions-ha...

This isn’t a video game where you buy “clean factories IV” and everything stops polluting on the next turn, it takes time to change industrial plans which are years in the making and involve non-trivial supply chains.

China is far, far from perfect but their emissions are going down at a time when the President of the United States is lying about fake emergencies and forcing utilities to run at a loss just to keep emissions up, so China is not the nation most deserving of pressure.

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tgsovlerkhgsel2mo ago

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/co-emissions-per-capita

Tiktaalik2mo ago

Those are our emissions that we have exported to china. Your TV, Phone, etc etc isn't built in NA.

gedy2mo ago

cbeach2mo ago

tlogan2mo ago

Using the IEA’s 2024 energy-related CO₂ data, advanced economies emitted 10.9 billion tonnes out of a global 37.8 billion tonnes in 2024, which is about 28.8% of the world total.

So if developed countries completely eliminate all pollution we will reduce it by 30%. Good. Then what is the next step? War with China? Attack India?

[1] https://www.iea.org/reports/global-energy-review-2025/co2-em...

acdha2mo ago

To the extent that they need a nudge, a carbon tax would be very effective for correcting export market incentives, too.

tlogan2mo ago

They are doing so good that they increased their emission by 4.7% from 2022 to 2023. /s

acdha2mo ago

Which was part of a slow down which recently hit the crossover point:

https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-chinas-co2-emissions-ha...

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