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0 pointsstaticassertion24d ago0 comments

I mean, again, these are just claims and, once again, another brute fact.

> Reality was always going to be something that includes structure, that is somehow inevitable, the only possibility, not something selected or manufactured by something else.

This is a brute fact. I mean, literally it just is.

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Nevermark24d ago

It isn't a brute fact, because there is no alternative.

That is the definition of fully determined. X can uniquely be Y. And it can't be anything else than Y.

The extreme opposition to a brute fact.

Can we accept that any proposed model of reality potentially must, at a minimum, be self-determining without resort to any "other"?

The unique constraint of strict self-containment and determination is a tautological challenge, but therefore also a valid axiom.

staticassertionOP24d ago

No, that means it's not a brute contingent fact. It is still a brute fact. And it is a metaphysical claim that there is no alternative.

> And that it can't be the full reality if it is not self-determining, draws from anything else, any other domain, depends on any non-internal choice, any wisp of external determination?

No, brute contingent facts do not require external determination, so I reject this obviously. Or, I accept it and it's irrelevant because, again, brute contingent facts do not require external determination.

Nevermark24d ago

They are not determined internally.

So determined non-internally if you prefer. Non-internal to reality.

My point is that is a tautological impossibility. Reality by definition is all. That is what we want to explain (or at least, zoom in on a potential form of explanation).

Reality can't depend on anything making a choice that is not a part of itself.

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Nevermark24d ago

It isn't a brute fact, because there is no alternative.

That is the definition of fully determined. X can uniquely be Y. And it can't be anything else than Y.

The extreme opposition to a brute fact.

Can we accept that any proposed model of reality potentially must, at a minimum, be self-determining without resort to any "other"?

The unique constraint of strict self-containment and determination is a tautological challenge, but therefore also a valid axiom.

staticassertionOP24d ago

No, that means it's not a brute contingent fact. It is still a brute fact. And it is a metaphysical claim that there is no alternative.

> And that it can't be the full reality if it is not self-determining, draws from anything else, any other domain, depends on any non-internal choice, any wisp of external determination?

Nevermark24d ago

They are not determined internally.

So determined non-internally if you prefer. Non-internal to reality.

My point is that is a tautological impossibility. Reality by definition is all. That is what we want to explain (or at least, zoom in on a potential form of explanation).

Reality can't depend on anything making a choice that is not a part of itself.

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