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0 pointsnomdep2mo ago0 comments

*To improve* mass surveillance and autonomous attack systems with no human in the loop. China and USA already had those kind of systems way before AI.

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EagnaIonat2mo ago

China is certainly lax, but the US doesn't allow autonomous ATTACK systems. For Attack systems it is always required that a human makes the judgement call when to attack.

Or least it didn't until the current regime.

The US does have autonomous defensive systems.

I could be wrong though, can you post your evidence? The closest I could find is loitering munitions.

Even so, a company shouldn't be forced to go against its ethics if those ethics help humans.

econ2mo ago

Drone pilots don't get any info about their target, certainly not enough to make a judgement call. If they object (or burn out) someone else is put in the chair.

People are conscripted, they put on the uniform and become legitimate targets? It might as well be a robot doing the shooting. Same difference.

EagnaIonat2mo ago

It's not the same.

The pilot becomes responsible for those outcomes. For example indiscriminately killing civilians for example is a war crime. Its easier to get an AI to commit war crimes than humans.

econ2mo ago

Perhaps but if the difference is significant I don't know. Everything changes then we try stretch rhetoric from stabbing someone with a sword to hypersonic missiles? We might hold the pilot responsible if they erase a building but I'm far less comfortable blaming them. We know the targets are actually picked by computers using metadata. The difference gets increasingly vague.

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EagnaIonat2mo ago

China is certainly lax, but the US doesn't allow autonomous ATTACK systems. For Attack systems it is always required that a human makes the judgement call when to attack.

Or least it didn't until the current regime.

The US does have autonomous defensive systems.

I could be wrong though, can you post your evidence? The closest I could find is loitering munitions.

Even so, a company shouldn't be forced to go against its ethics if those ethics help humans.

econ2mo ago

Drone pilots don't get any info about their target, certainly not enough to make a judgement call. If they object (or burn out) someone else is put in the chair.

People are conscripted, they put on the uniform and become legitimate targets? It might as well be a robot doing the shooting. Same difference.

EagnaIonat2mo ago

It's not the same.

The pilot becomes responsible for those outcomes. For example indiscriminately killing civilians for example is a war crime. Its easier to get an AI to commit war crimes than humans.

econ2mo ago

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