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0 pointsnickserv2mo ago0 comments

The government is why they are dropping their pledge.

https://apnews.com/article/anthropic-hegseth-ai-pentagon-mil...

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That's because their government is asking for things that shouldn't be asked - again, no regulation, no oversight.

The government is forcing them to change their policy, by definition that is regulation and oversight.

Let's say that the government was forcing a company to change their overall right-to-repair or return policy in order to avoid being on a blacklist, would that not be seen as oversight and regulation?

Whether the regulation is legitimate or of benefit is a different argument.

isodev2mo ago

You misunderstand - a government normally represents the people, we appoint them to well, govern, in our name. I understand how this is confusing in a place like the US, where the government often seems to represent the business (or lately a small group of poor examples of humanity), not the people.

mcmcmc2mo ago

This is condescending and fails to clarify your point at all. Are you saying there is no oversight or regulation in governance? Or that there is no oversight on AI? That a government pressuring a private company to change a policy is not regulation or oversight?

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peterfirefly2mo ago

Normally?

All governments are in the egg-breaking business some of the time. Most of them are most of the time. Some of them all of the time.

Very few are good at making omelettes.

GrinningFool2mo ago

I think GP was referred to lack of regulation and oversight over the government.

lupire2mo ago

Of course, but that is incoherent. Regulation and oversight is government.

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ryandrake2mo ago

The government doesn't seem to be forcing them to do anything. They're saying that doing business with them is contingent upon changing the policy. So, they could simply stop doing business with the government.

Hegseth could come to my house today and tell me that I need to start kicking puppies in order to do business with him, and I could just say no. No coercion happening.

nickservOP2mo ago

If they comply, they can continue bidding on government contracts.

If they refuse, they will be put on a national security blacklist, like for Huawei's telecommunication equipment.

Seems pretty forceful to me.

unholiness2mo ago

No, their Responsible Scaling Policy and their government contract are not related. The RSP governs how Anthropic itself behaves w/r/t developing, testing, and releasing new models. The contract was signed with stipulations around how the government can use existing models (No mass surveillance, no military targeting without a human in the loop) which Hegseth wants removed in a standoff that hasn't yet resolved.

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isodev2mo ago

That's because their government is asking for things that shouldn't be asked - again, no regulation, no oversight.

nickservOP2mo ago

The government is forcing them to change their policy, by definition that is regulation and oversight.

Whether the regulation is legitimate or of benefit is a different argument.

isodev2mo ago

mcmcmc2mo ago

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peterfirefly2mo ago

Normally?

All governments are in the egg-breaking business some of the time. Most of them are most of the time. Some of them all of the time.

Very few are good at making omelettes.

GrinningFool2mo ago

I think GP was referred to lack of regulation and oversight over the government.

lupire2mo ago

Of course, but that is incoherent. Regulation and oversight is government.

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ryandrake2mo ago

Hegseth could come to my house today and tell me that I need to start kicking puppies in order to do business with him, and I could just say no. No coercion happening.

nickservOP2mo ago

If they comply, they can continue bidding on government contracts.

If they refuse, they will be put on a national security blacklist, like for Huawei's telecommunication equipment.

Seems pretty forceful to me.

unholiness2mo ago

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