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0 pointscyberax2mo ago0 comments

If it's a large company, that can dominate the market by absorbing the losses until competition disappears?

Arguably, yes.

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So that means for instance it was illegal for Netflix to get into the streaming business or for Apple to start selling iPods because neither could do it profitably from day one?

Should Microsoft have not been allowed to sell operating systems and still survive from selling BASIC interpreters? Should Nintendo have not been allowed to sell video games and still be selling playing cards?

Every company that is interested in survival takes profits from an existing business to start a new one,

s1artibartfast2mo ago

The question is over what timescale and volume.

Toyota shouldn't have to sell their first new car off the line for 100 million to pay for the entire manufacturing line.

Your first SAAS customer shouldn't have to pay back all your costs.

Can you plan to break even after your first month of sales? first year? 10 years?

andrew_lettuce2mo ago

This isn't typically an area where laws and regulations can work effectively because who knows until after the fact? Taxation laws do deal with this from a different perspective, for example most jurisdictions won't let a company take losses every year forever, as they judge the intent of a corporation. Even this is incredibly complex so I'm not sure how your idea would work, even the term "break even" doesn't have a clear definition, ex: do Capital assets still depreciate the same in the AI world? When did Amazon start to break even? What if they didn't deliver shopping on top of aws? Was that an unfair subsidization?

raw_anon_11112mo ago

Amazon doesn’t for the most part deliver shopping on top of AWS.

Amazon runs two sets of infrastructure “CDO” and “AWS”. It’s a myth that Amazon used excess capacity to start AWS. AWS was always built out as separate infrastructure outside of AWS.

Some Amazon services do run on AWS. But when Amazon runs workloads on AWS, for internal accounting, they are considered a customer.

Source: former employee at AWS

raw_anon_11112mo ago

So we are going to pass a law that any new company initiative must be profitable in $x years? Are we going to outlaw loss leaders?

int_19h2mo ago

So it would be illegal for Google but legal for Anthropic?

What about OpenAI?

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raw_anon_11112mo ago

So that means for instance it was illegal for Netflix to get into the streaming business or for Apple to start selling iPods because neither could do it profitably from day one?

Every company that is interested in survival takes profits from an existing business to start a new one,

s1artibartfast2mo ago

The question is over what timescale and volume.

Toyota shouldn't have to sell their first new car off the line for 100 million to pay for the entire manufacturing line.

Your first SAAS customer shouldn't have to pay back all your costs.

Can you plan to break even after your first month of sales? first year? 10 years?

andrew_lettuce2mo ago

raw_anon_11112mo ago

Amazon doesn’t for the most part deliver shopping on top of AWS.

Amazon runs two sets of infrastructure “CDO” and “AWS”. It’s a myth that Amazon used excess capacity to start AWS. AWS was always built out as separate infrastructure outside of AWS.

Some Amazon services do run on AWS. But when Amazon runs workloads on AWS, for internal accounting, they are considered a customer.

Source: former employee at AWS

raw_anon_11112mo ago

So we are going to pass a law that any new company initiative must be profitable in $x years? Are we going to outlaw loss leaders?

int_19h2mo ago

So it would be illegal for Google but legal for Anthropic?

What about OpenAI?

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse