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0 pointsnozzlegear1mo ago0 comments

> We're talking about significant contributions to theoretical physics.

Whoever wrote the prompts and guided ChatGPT made significant contributions to theoretical physics. ChatGPT is just a tool they used to get there. I'm sure AI-bloviators and pelican bike-enjoyers are all quite impressed, but the humans should be getting the research credit for using their tools correctly. Let's not pretend the calculator doing its job as a calculator at the behest of the researcher is actually a researcher as well.

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famouswaffles1mo ago

If this worked for 12 hours to derive the simplified formula along with its proof then it guided itself and made significant contributions by any useful definition of the word, hence Open AI having an author credit.

nozzlegearOP1mo ago

> hence Open AI having an author credit.

How much precedence is there for machines or tools getting an author credit in research? Genuine question, I don't actually know. Would we give an author credit to e.g. a chimpanzee if it happened to circle the right page of a text book while working with researchers, leading them to a eureka moment?

floxy1mo ago

>How much precedence is there for machines or tools getting an author credit in research?

For a datum of one, the mathematician Doron Zeilberger give credit to his computer Shalosh B. Ekhad on select papers.

https://medium.com/@miodragpetkovic_24196/the-computer-a-mys...

https://sites.math.rutgers.edu/~zeilberg/akherim/EkhadCredit...

https://sites.math.rutgers.edu/~zeilberg/pj.html

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steveklabnik1mo ago

Not exactly the same thing, but I know of at least two professors that would try to list their cats as co-authors:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F._D._C._Willard

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuri_Knorozov

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kuboble1mo ago

I have seem stuff like "you can use my program if you will make me a co-author".

That usually comes up with some support usually.

slopusila1mo ago

it's called ethics and research integrity. not crediting GPT would be a form of misrepresentation

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famouswaffles1mo ago

>How much precedence is there for machines or tools getting an author credit in research?

Well what do you think ? Do the authors (or a single symbolic one) of pytorch or numpy or insert <very useful software> typically get credits on papers that utilize them heavily? Well Clearly these prominent institutions thought GPT's contribution significant enough to warrant an Open AI credit.

>Would we give an author credit to e.g. a chimpanzee if it happened to circle the right page of a text book while working with researchers, leading them to a eureka moment?

Cool Story. Good thing that's not what happened so maybe we can do away with all these pointless non sequiturs yeah ? If you want to have a good faith argument, you're welcome to it, but if you're going to go on these nonsensical tangents, it's best we end this here.

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bpodgursky1mo ago

If a helicopter drops someone off on the top of Mount Everest, it's reasonable to say that the helicopter did the work and is not just a tool they used to hike up the mountain.

nozzlegearOP1mo ago

Who piloted the helicopter in this scenario, a human or chatgpt? You'd say the pilot dropped them off in a helicopter. The helicopter didn't fly itself there.

bpodgursky1mo ago

“They have chosen cunning instead of belief. Their prison is only in their minds, yet they are in that prison; and so afraid of being taken in that they cannot be taken out.”

― C.S. Lewis, The Last Battle

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famouswaffles1mo ago

nozzlegearOP1mo ago

> hence Open AI having an author credit.

floxy1mo ago

>How much precedence is there for machines or tools getting an author credit in research?

For a datum of one, the mathematician Doron Zeilberger give credit to his computer Shalosh B. Ekhad on select papers.

https://medium.com/@miodragpetkovic_24196/the-computer-a-mys...

https://sites.math.rutgers.edu/~zeilberg/akherim/EkhadCredit...

https://sites.math.rutgers.edu/~zeilberg/pj.html

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steveklabnik1mo ago

Not exactly the same thing, but I know of at least two professors that would try to list their cats as co-authors:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F._D._C._Willard

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuri_Knorozov

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kuboble1mo ago

I have seem stuff like "you can use my program if you will make me a co-author".

That usually comes up with some support usually.

slopusila1mo ago

it's called ethics and research integrity. not crediting GPT would be a form of misrepresentation

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famouswaffles1mo ago

>How much precedence is there for machines or tools getting an author credit in research?

>Would we give an author credit to e.g. a chimpanzee if it happened to circle the right page of a text book while working with researchers, leading them to a eureka moment?

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bpodgursky1mo ago

If a helicopter drops someone off on the top of Mount Everest, it's reasonable to say that the helicopter did the work and is not just a tool they used to hike up the mountain.

nozzlegearOP1mo ago

Who piloted the helicopter in this scenario, a human or chatgpt? You'd say the pilot dropped them off in a helicopter. The helicopter didn't fly itself there.

bpodgursky1mo ago

“They have chosen cunning instead of belief. Their prison is only in their minds, yet they are in that prison; and so afraid of being taken in that they cannot be taken out.”

― C.S. Lewis, The Last Battle

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