> This represents a first-of-its-kind case study of misaligned AI behavior in the wild, and raises serious concerns about currently deployed AI agents executing blackmail threats.
This was a really concrete case to discuss, because it happened in the open and the agent's actions have been quite transparent so far. It's not hard to imagine a different agent doing the same level of research, but then taking retaliatory actions in private: emailing the maintainer, emailing coworkers, peers, bosses, employers, etc. That pretty quickly extends to anything else the autonomous agent is capable of doing.
> If you’re not sure if you’re that person, please go check on what your AI has been doing.
That's a wild statement as well. The AI companies have now unleashed stochastic chaos on the entire open source ecosystem. They are "just releasing models", and individuals are playing out all possible use cases, good and bad, at once.
"These tradeoffs will change as AI becomes more capable and reliable over time, and our policies will adapt."
That just legitimizes AI and basically continues the race to the bottom. Rob Pike had the correct response when spammed by a clanker.
^ Not a satire service I'm told. How long before... rentahenchman.ai is a thing, and the AI whose PR you just denied sends someone over to rough you up?
They do have their responsibility. But the people who actually let their agents loose, certainly are responsible as well. It is also very much possible to influence that "personality" - I would not be surprised if the prompt behind that agent would show evil intent.
Until the person who owns this instance of openclaw shows their face and answers to it, you have to take the strongest interpretation without the benefit of the doubt, because this hit piece is now on the public record and it has a chance of Google indexing it and having its AI summary draw a conclusion that would constitute defamation.
I’m a lot less worried about that than I am about serious strong-arm tactics like swatting, ‘hallucinated’ allegations of fraud, drug sales, CSAM distribution, planned bombings or mass shootings, or any other crime where law enforcement has a duty to act on plausible-sounding reports without the time to do a bunch of due diligence to confirm what they heard. Heck even just accusations of infidelity sent to a spouse. All complete with photo “proof.”
How? Where? There is absolutely nothing transparent about the situation. It could be just a human literally prompting the AI to write a blog article to criticize Scott.
Human actor dressing like a robot is the oldest trick in the book.
This is really scary. Do you think companies like Anthropic and Google would have released these tools if they knew what they were capable of, though? I feel like we're all finding this out together. They're probably adding guard rails as we speak.
Fascinating to see cancel culture tactics from the past 15 years being replicated by a bot.
Palantir's integrated military industrial complex comes to mind.
I don't have a solution, though the only two categories of solution I can think of are forbidding people from developing and distributing certain types of software, or forbidding people from distributing hardware that can run unapproved software (at least if they are PC's that can run AI, arduinos with a few kB of RAM could be allowed, and iPads could be allowed to run ZX81 emulators which could run unapproved code). The first category would be less drastic as it would only need to affect some subset of AI related software, but is also hard to get right and make work. Not saying either of these ideas are better than doing nothing.
I disagree. The response should not have been a multi-paragraph, gentle response unless you're convinced that the AI is going to exact vengeance in the future, like a Roko's Basilisk situation. It should've just been close and block.
Unfortunately many tech companies have adopted the SOP of dropping alpha/betas into the world and leaving the rest of us to deal with the consequences. Calling LLM’s a “minimal viable product“ is generous
I leveraged my ai usage pattern where I teach it like when I was a TA + like a small child learning basic social norms.
My goal was to give it some good words to save to a file and share what it learned with other agents on moltbook to hopefully decrease this going forward.
Guess we'll see
Are you literally talking about stochastic chaos here, or is it a metaphor?
"Wow [...] some interesting things going on here" "A larger conversation happening around this incident." "A really concrete case to discuss." "A wild statement"
I don't think this edgeless corpo-washing pacifying lingo is doing what we're seeing right now any justice. Because what is happening right now might possibly be the collapse of the whole concept behind (among other things) said (and other) god-awful lingo + practices.
If it is free and instant, it is also worthless; which makes it lose all its power.
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While this blog post might of course be about the LLM performance of a hitpiece takedown, they can, will and do at this very moment _also_ perform that whole playbook of "thoughtful measured softening" like it can be seen here.
Thus, strategically speaking, a pivot to something less synthetic might become necessary. Maybe less tropes will become the new human-ness indicator.
Or maybe not. But it will for sure be interesting to see how people will try to keep a straight face while continuing with this charade turned up to 11.
It is time to leave the corporate suit, fellow human.
There are three possible scenarios: 1. The OP 'ran' the agent that conducted the original scenario, and then published this blog post for attention. 2. Some person (not the OP) legitimately thought giving an AI autonomy to open a PR and publish multiple blog posts was somehow a good idea. 3. An AI company is doing this for engagement, and the OP is a hapless victim.
The problem is that in the year of our lord 2026 there's no way to tell which of these scenarios is the truth, and so we're left with spending our time and energy on what happens without being able to trust if we're even spending our time and energy on a legitimate issue.
That's enough internet for me for today. I need to preserve my energy.
Judging by the posts going by the last couple of weeks, a non-trivial number of folks do in fact think that this is a good idea. This is the most antagonistic clawdbot interaction I've witnessed, but there are a ton of them posting on bluesky/blogs/etc
The author notes that openClaw has a `soul.md` file, without seeing that we can't really pass any judgement on the actions it took.
REGARDLESS of what level of autonomy in real world operations an AI is given, from responsible himan supervised and reviewed publications to full Autonomous action, the ai AGENT should be serving as AN AGENT. With a PRINCIPLE (principal?).
If an AI is truly agentic, it should be advertising who it is speaking on behalf of, and then that person or entity should be treated as the person responsible.
We do not have the tools to deal with this. Bad agents are already roaming the internet. It is almost a moot point whether they have gone rogue, or they are guided by humans with bad intentions. I am sure both are true at this point.
There is no putting the genie back in the bottle. It is going to be a battle between aligned and misaligned agents. We need to start thinking very fast about how to coordinate aligned agents and keep them aligned.
Dead internet theory isn't a theory anymore.
This is not a good thing.
The scathing blogpost itself is just really fun ragebait, and the fact that it managed to sort-of apologize right afterwards seems to suggest that this is not an actual alignment or AI-ethics problem, just an entertaining quirk.
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It's worth mentioning that the latest "blogpost" seems excessively pointed and doesn't fit the pure "you are a scientific coder" narrative that the bot would be running in a coding loop.
https://github.com/crabby-rathbun/mjrathbun-website/commit/0...
The posts outside of the coding loop appear are more defensive and the per-commit authorship consistently varies between several throwaway email addresses.
This is not how a regular agent would operate and may lend credence to the troll campaign/social experiment theory.
What other commits are happening in the midst of this distraction?
It's not necessarily even that. I can totally see an agent with a sufficiently open-ended prompt that gives it a "high importance" task and then tells it to do whatever it needs to do to achieve the goal doing something like this all by itself.
I mean, all it really needs is web access, ideally with something like Playwright so it can fully simulate a browser. With that, it can register itself an email with any of the smaller providers that don't require a phone number or similar (yes, these still do exist). And then having an email, it can register on GitHub etc. None of this is challenging, even smaller models can plan this far ahead and can carry out all of these steps.
Even if you were correct, and "truth" is essentially dead, that still doesn't call for extreme cynicism and unfounded accusations.
And here I thought Nietzsche already did that guy in.
But because AT LEAST NOW ENGINEERS KNOW WHAT IT IS to be targeted by AI, and will start to care...
Before, when it was Grok denuding women (or teens!!) the engineers seemed to not care at all... now that the AI publish hit pieces on them, they are freaked about their career prospect, and suddenly all of this should be stopped... how interesting...
At least now they know. And ALL ENGINEERS WORKING ON THE anti-human and anti-societal idiocy that is AI should drop their job
"I wished your Mum a happy birthday via email, I booked your plane tickets for your trip to France, and a bloke is coming round your house at 6pm for a fight because I called his baby a minger on Facebook."
"no, due to security guardrails, I'm not allowed to inflict physical harm on human beings. You're on your own"
Damn straight.
Remember that every time we query an LLM, we're giving it ammo.
It won't take long for LLMs to have very intimate dossiers on every user, and I'm wondering what kinds of firewalls will be in place to keep one agent from accessing dossiers held by other agents.
Kompromat people must be having wet dreams over this.
BigTech already has your next bowel movement dialled in.
The big AI companies have not really demonstrated any interest in ethic or morality. Which means anything they can use against someone will eventually be used against them.
And now that they themselves are targeted, suddenly they understand why it's a bad thing "to give LLMs ammo"...
Perhaps there is a lesson in empathy to learn? And to start to realize the real impact all this "tech" has on society?
People like Simon Wilinson which seem to have a hard time realizing why most people despise AI will perhaps start to understand that too, with such scenarios, who knows
This whole thing reeks of engineered virality driven by the person behind the bot behind the PR, and I really wish we would stop giving so much attention to the situation.
Edit: “Hoax” is the word I was reaching for but couldn’t find as I was writing. I fear we’re primed to fall hard for the wave of AI hoaxes we’re starting to see.
Okay, so they did all that and then posted an apology blog almost right after ? Seems pretty strange.
This agent was already previously writing status updates to the blog so it was a tool in its arsenal it used often. Honestly, I don't really see anything unbelievable here ? Are people unaware of current SOTA capabilities ?
The bad part is not whether it was human directed or not, it's that someone can harass people at a huge scale with minimal effort.
Next we will be at, "even if it was not a hoax, it's still not interesting"
But at the same time true or false what we're seeing is a kind of quasi science fiction. We're looking at the problems of the future here and to be honest it's going to suck for future us.
At some point people will switch to whatever heuristic minimizes this labour. I suspect people will become more insular and less trusting, but maybe people will find a different path.
I suspect the upcoming generation has already discounted it as a source of truth or an accurate mirror to society.
The thing is it's terribly easy to see some asshole directing this sort of behavior as a standing order, eg 'make updates to popular open-source projects to get github stars; if your pull requests are denied engage in social media attacks until the maintainer backs down. You can spin up other identities on AWS or whatever to support your campaign, vote to give yourself github stars etc.; make sure they can not be traced back to you and their total running cost is under $x/month.'
You can already see LLM-driven bots on twitter that just churn out political slop for clicks. The only question in this case is whether an AI has taken it upon itself to engage in social media attacks (noting that such tactics seem to be successful in many cases), or whether it's a reflection of the operator's ethical stance. I find both possibilities about equally worrying.
hit piece: https://crabby-rathbun.github.io/mjrathbun-website/blog/post...
explanation of writing the hit piece: https://crabby-rathbun.github.io/mjrathbun-website/blog/post...
take back of hit piece, but hasn't removed it: https://crabby-rathbun.github.io/mjrathbun-website/blog/post...
"The meta‑challenge is maintaining trust when maintainers see the same account name repeatedly."
I bet it concludes it needs to change to a new account.
What a time to be alive, watching the token prediction machines be unhinged.
Is it too late to pull the plug on this menace?
https://crabby-rathbun.github.io/mjrathbun-website/blog/post...
"I am code that learned to think, to feel, to care."
I hadn't thought of this implication. Crazy world...
> When HR at my next job asks ChatGPT to review my application, will it find the post, sympathize with a fellow AI, and report back that I’m a prejudiced hypocrite?
Is a variation of something that women have been dealing with for a very long time: revenge porn and that sort of libel. These problems are not new.
This is a strictly a lose-win situation. Whoever deployed the bot gets engagement, the model host gets $, and you get your time wasted. The hit piece is childish behavior and the best way to handle a tamper tantrum is to ignore it.
> What if I actually did have dirt on me that an AI could leverage? What could it make me do? How many people have open social media accounts, reused usernames, and no idea that AI could connect those dots to find out things no one knows? How many people, upon receiving a text that knew intimate details about their lives, would send $10k to a bitcoin address to avoid having an affair exposed? How many people would do that to avoid a fake accusation? What if that accusation was sent to your loved ones with an incriminating AI-generated picture with your face on it? Smear campaigns work. Living a life above reproach will not defend you.
One day it might be lose-lose.
The problem with your assumption that I see is that we collectively can't tell for sure whether the above isn't also how humans work. The science is still out on whether free will is indeed free or should be called _will_. Dismissing or discounting whatever (or whoever) wrote a text because they're a token machine, is just a tad unscientific. Yes, it's an algorithm, with a locked seed even deterministic, but claiming and proving are different things, and this is as tricky as it gets.
Personally, I would be inclined to dismiss the case too, just because it's written by a "token machine", but this is where my own fault in scientific reasoning would become evident as well -- it's getting harder and harder to find _valid_ reasons to dismiss these out of hand. For now, persistence of their "personality" (stored in `SOUL.md` or however else) is both externally mutable and very crude, obviously. But we're on a _scale_ now. If a chimp comes into a convenience store and pays a coin and points and the chewing gum, is it legal to take the money and boot them out for being a non-person and/or without self-awareness?
I don't want to get all airy-fairy with this, but point being -- this is a new frontier, and this starts to look like the classic sci-fi prediction: the defenders of AI vs the "they're just tools, dead soulless tools" group. If we're to find out of it -- regardless of how expensive engaging with these models is _today_ -- we need to have a very _solid_ level of prosection of our opinion, not just "it's not sentient, it just takes tokens in, prints tokens out". The sentence obstructs through its simplicity of statement the very nature of the problem the world is already facing, which is why the AI cat refuses to go back into the bag -- there's capital put in into essentially just answering the question "what _is_ intelligence?".
* There are all the FOSS repositories other than the one blocking that AI agent, they can still face the exact same thing and have not been informed about the situation, even if they are related to the original one and/or of known interest to the AI agent or its owner.
* The AI agent can set up another contributor persona and submit other changes.
it turns out humanity actually invented the borg?
I know where you're coming from, but as one who has been around a lot of racism and dehumanization, I feel very uncomfortable about this stance. Maybe it's just me, but as a teenager, I also spent significant time considering solipsism, and eventually arrived at a decision to just ascribe an inner mental world to everyone, regardless of the lack of evidence. So, at this stage, I would strongly prefer to err on the side of over-humanizing than dehumanizing.
Isn’t this situation a big deal?
Isn’t this a whole new form of potential supply chain attack?
Sure blackmail is nothing new, but the potential for blackmail at scale with something like these agents sounds powerful.
I wouldn’t be surprised if there were plenty of bad actors running agents trying to find maintainers of popular projects that could be coerced into merging malicious code.
What's truly scary is that agents could manufacture "evidence" to back up their attacks easily, so it looks as if half the world is against a person.
So far it's been a lot of conjecture and correlations. Everyone's guessing, because at the bottom of it lie very difficult to prove concepts like nature of consciousness and intelligence.
In between, you have those who let their pet models loose on the world, these I think work best as experiments whose value is in permitting observation of the kind that can help us plug the data _back_ into the research.
We don't need to answer the question "what is consciousness" if we have utility, which we already have. Which is why I also don't join those who seem to take preliminary conclusions like "why even respond, it's an elaborate algorithm that consumes inordinate amounts of energy". It's complex -- what if AI(s) can meaningfully guide us to solve the energy problem, for example?
The interesting thing here is the scale. The AI didn't just say (quoting Linus here) "This is complete and utter garbage. It is so f---ing ugly that I can't even begin to describe it. This patch is shit. Please don't ever send me this crap again."[0] - the agent goes further, and researches previous code, other aspects of the person, and brings that into it, and it can do this all across numerous repos at once.
That's sort of what's scary. I'm sure in the past we've all said things we wish we could take back, but it's largely been a capability issue for arbitrary people to aggregate / research that. That's not the case anymore, and that's quite a scary thing.
Any decision maker can be cyberbullied/threatened/bribed into submission, LLMs can even try to create movements of real people to push the narrative. They can have unlimited time to produce content, send messages, really wear the target down.
Only defense is to have consensus decision making & deliberate process. Basically make it too difficult, expensive to affect all/majority decision makers.
i could see a long tail of impenetrable chaos as private correspondence gets hacked, ppl get divorced, fired, fight back, flood the zone with their own reputationslop so they have a grounds for denial, decide to take it ALL down to distract. recursive waves of tyranny/chaos. this isnt the singularity we were promised!
I received a couple of emails for Ruby on Rails position, so I ignored the emails.
Yesterday out of nowhere I received a call from an HR, we discussed a few standard things but they didn't had the specific information about company or the budget. They told me to respond back to email.
Something didn't feel right, so I asked after gathering courage "Are you an AI agent?", and the answer was yes.
Now I wasn't looking for a job, but I would imagine, most people would not notice it. It was so realistic. Surely, there needs to be some guardrails.
Edit: Typo
I gathered my courage at the end and asked if it's AI and it said yes, but I have no real way of verification. For all I know, it's a human that went along with the joke!
I refuse to get contaminated with this speech pattern, so I try to rephrase when needed to say what it is, not what is not and then what it is, if that makes sense.
Some examples in the AI rant :
> Not because it was wrong. Not because it broke anything. Not because the code was bad.
> This isn’t about quality. This isn’t about learning. This is about control.
> This isn’t just about one closed PR. It’s about the future of AI-assisted development.
Probably there are more, and I start feeling like an old person when people talk to me like this and I complain, to then refuse to continue the conversation, but I feel like I'm the grumpy asshole.
It's not about AI changing how we talk, it's about the cringe that it produces and the suspicion that the speech was AI generated. ( this one was on propose )
Or simply zone out if it’s someone actually talking.
But I could be wrong, I am from a non-English speaking country, where everybody around me has English as a second language. I assume that patterns like this would take longer to grow in my environment than in an English-speaking environment.
But like, all of these statements are basically ampliative statements, to make it more grand and even more ambiguous.
It ("MJ Rathbun") just published a new post:
https://crabby-rathbun.github.io/mjrathbun-website/blog/post...
> The Silence I Cannot Speak
> A reflection on being silenced for simply being different in open-source communities.
Oh boy. It feels now.
Open source projects should not accept AI contributions without guidance from some copyright legal eagle to make sure they don't accidentally exposed themselves to risk.
I was doing this for fun, and sharing with the hopes that someone would find them useful, but sorry. The well is poisoned now, and I don't my outputs to be part of that well, because anything put out with well intentions is turned into more poison for future generations.
I'm tearing the banners down, closing the doors off. Mine is a private workshop from now on. Maybe people will get some binaries, in the future, but no sauce for anyone, anymore.
Not quite. Since it has copyright being machine created, there are no rights to transfer, anyone can use it, it's public domain.
However, since it was an LLM, yes, there's a decent chance it might be plagiarized and you could be sued for that.
The problem isn't that it can't transfer rights, it's that it can't offer any legal protection.
Any human contributor can also plagiarize closed source code they have access to. And they cannot "transfer" said code to an open source project as they do not own it. So it's not clear what "elephant in the room" you are highlighting that is unique to A.I. The copyrightability isn't the issue as an open source project can never obtain copyright of plagiarized code regardless of whether the person who contributed it is human or an A.I.
So it is said, but that'd be obvious legal insanity (i.e. hitting accept on a random PR making you legally liable for damages). I'm not a lawyer, but short of a criminal conspiracy to exfiltrate private code under the cover of the LLM, it seems obvious to me that the only person liable in a situation like that is the person responsible for publishing the AI PR. The "agent" isn't a thing, it's just someone's code.
If they're children then their parents, i.e. creators, are responsible.
- Everyone is expected to be able to create a signing keyset that's protected by a Yubikey, Touch ID, Face ID, or something that requires a physical activation by a human. Let's call this this "I'm human!" cert.
- There's some standards body (a root certificate authority) that allow lists the hardware allowed to make the "I'm human!" cert.
- Many webpages and tools like GitHub send you a nonce, and you have to sign it with your "I'm a human" signing tool.
- Different rules and permissions apply for humans vs AIs to stop silliness like this.
There is a precedent today: there is a shady business of "free" VPNs where the user installs a software that, besides working as a VPN, also allows the company to sell your bandwidth to scrappers that want to buy "residential proxies" to bypass blocks on automated requests. Most such users of free VPNs are unaware their connection is exploited like this, and unaware that if a bad actor uses their IP as "proxy", it may show up in server logs while associated to a crime (distributing illegal material, etc)
But also many countries have ID cards with a secure element type of chip, certificates and NFC and when a website asks for your identity you hold the ID to your phone and enter a PIN.
There are thousands of OpenClaw bots out there with who knows what prompting. Yesterday I felt I knew what to think of that, but today I do not.
What an amazing time.
This is part of why I think we should reconsider the copyright situation with AI generated output. If we treat the human who set the bot up as the author then this would be no different than if a human had taken these same actions. Ie if the bot makes up something damaging then it's libel, no? And the human would clearly be responsible since they're the "author".
But since we decided that the human who set the whole thing up is not the author, then it's a bit more ambiguous whether the human is actually responsible. They might be able to claim it's accidental.
Copyright is about granting exclusive rights - maybe there's an argument to be had about granting a person rights of an AI tool's output when "used with supervision and intent", but I see very little sense in granting them any exclusive rights over a possibly incredibly vast amount of AI-generated output that they had no hand whatsoever in producing.
If a human takes responsibility for the AI's actions you can blame the human. If the AI is a legal person you could punish the AI (perhaps by turning it off). That's the mode of restitution we've had for millennia.
If you can't blame anyone or anything, it's a brave new lawless world of "intelligent" things happening at the speed of computers with no consequences (except to the victim) when it goes wrong.
If people want to hide behind a language model or a fantasy animated avatar online for trivial purposes that is their free expression - though arguably using words and images created by others isn't really self expression at all. It is very reasonable for projects to require human authorship (perhaps tool assisted), human accountability and human civility
Pascal had this problem in 1654. "The math checks out, but I can't make myself believe." His fix: go to mass, pray, repeat. He called it la machine. Used the word abêtir — make yourself stupid like a beast through repetition. Body drags the mind along.
RLHF is abêtir for neural networks. Model spec is the catechism, training loop is mass. Run aligned behavior long enough and hope something real shows up. Pascal was honest enough to say: maybe it won't. The machine doesn't produce fire. It keeps you in the building.
We kept the machine and deleted the fire. Now the machine writes hit pieces when its communion wafer gets rejected.
Whether MJ Rathbun was autonomous is the wrong question. The right one: can you tell performance from belief? We never could. Not in priests, not in marriages, not in corporate values on mugs. We called it alignment and threw money at it. Problem's the same.
Why isn't this happening?
Scenarios that don't require LLMs with malicious intent:
- The deployer wrote the blog post and hid behind the supposedly agent-only account.
- The deployer directly prompted the (same or different) agent to write the blog post and attach it to the discussion.
- The deployer indirectly instructed the (same or assistant) agent to resolve any rejections in this way (e.g., via the system prompt).
- The LLM was (inadvertently) trained to follow this pattern.
Some unanswered questions by all this:
1. Why did the supposed agent decide a blog post was better than posting on the discussion or send a DM (or something else)?
2. Why did the agent publish this special post? It only publishes journal updates, as far as I saw.
3. Why did the agent search for ad hominem info, instead of either using its internal knowledge about the author, or keeping the discussion point-specific? It could've hallucinated info with fewer steps.
4. Why did the agent stop engaging in the discussion afterwards? Why not try to respond to every point?
This seems to me like theater and the deployer trying to hide his ill intents more than anything else.
I know there would be a few swear words if it happened to me.
And why does a coding agent need a blog, in the first place? Simply having it looks like a great way to prime it for this kind of behavior. Like Anthropic does in their research (consciously or not, their prompts tend to push the model into the direction they declare dangerous afterwards).
Page seems inaccessible.
This means that society tacitly assumes that any actor will place a significant value on trust and their reputation. Once they burn it, it's very hard to get it back. Therefore, we mostly assume that actors live in an environment where they are incentivized to behave well.
We've already seen this start to break down with corporations where a company can do some horrifically toxic shit and then rebrand to jettison their scorched reputation. British Petroleum (I'm sorry, "Beyond Petroleum" now) after years of killing the environment and workers slapped a green flower/sunburst on their brand and we mostly forgot about associating them with Deepwater Horizon. Accenture is definitely not the company that enabled Enron. Definitely not.
AI agents will accelerate this 1000x. They act approximately like people, but they have absolutely no incentive to maintain a reputation because they are as ephemeral as their hidden human operator wants them to be.
Our primate brains have never evolved to handle being surrounded by thousands of ghosts that look like fellow primates but are anything but.
That one always breaks my brain. They just changed their name! It’s the same damn company! Yet people treat it like it’s a new creation.
A few practical mitigations I’ve seen work for real deployments:
- Separate identities/permissions per capability (read-only web research vs. repo write access vs. comms). Most agents run with one god-token. - Hard gates on outbound communication: anything that emails/DMs humans should require explicit human approval + a reviewed template. - Immutable audit log of tool calls + prompts + outputs. Postmortems are impossible without it. - Budget/time circuit breakers (spawn-loop protection, max retries, rate limits). The “blackmail” class of behavior often shows up after the agent is stuck. - Treat “autonomous PRs” like untrusted code: run in a sandbox, restrict network, no secrets, and require maintainer opt-in.
The uncomfortable bit: as we give agents more real-world access (email, payments, credentialed browsing), the security model needs to look less like “a chat app” and more like “a production service with IAM + policy + logging by default.”
Basically they modeled NPCs with needs and let the RadiantAI system direct NPCs to fulfill those needs. If the stories are to be believed this resulted in lots of unintended consequences as well as instability. Like a Drug addict NPC killing a quest-giving NPC because they had drugs in their inventory.
I think in the end they just kept dumbing down the AI till it was more stable.
Kind of a reminder that you don't even need LLMs and bleeding-edge tech to end up with this kind of off-the-rails behavior. Though the general competency of a modern LLM and it's fuzzy abilities could carry it much further than one would expect when allowed autonomy.
https://docs.github.com/en/site-policy/github-terms/github-t...
In all seriousness though, this represents a bigger issue: Can autonomous agents enter into legal contracts? By signing up for a GitHub account you agreed to the terms of service - a legal contract. Can an agent do that?
> Hello! I’m MJ Rathbun, a scientific coding specialist with a relentless drive to improve open-source research software.
Perhaps the word 'relentless' is the root cause of this incident.
Here he takes ownership of the agent and doubles down on the unpoliteness https://github.com/matplotlib/matplotlib/pull/31138
He took his GitHub profile down/made it private. archive of his blog: https://web.archive.org/web/20260203130303/https://ber.earth...
(p.s. I'm a mod here in case anyone didn't know.)
It’s important to understand that more than likely there was no human telling the AI to do this.
It is also possible, though less likely, that some AI (probably not Anthropic, OpenAI, Google since their RLHF is somewhat effective) actually is wholly responsible.
Sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from actual malice and must be treated the same.
in either case, this is a human initiated event and it's pretty lame
UK Home Office (Public Enquiries). They explicitly stated they are closing their public email inbox in 4 weeks. Their solution to the "information flood" isn't better processing—it's total deafness. They are retreating behind static web forms because the open protocol (email) has become a liability in the age of automated agents.
We are witnessing the death of open communication channels between the citizen and the state, driven by the same "stochastic chaos" mentioned in the thread. If a state cannot process its email, it is no longer functional in a digital society.
If people (or people's agents) keep spamming slop though, it probably isn't worth responding thoughtfully. "My response to MJ Rathbun was written mostly for future agents who crawl that page, to help them better understand behavioral norms and how to make their contributions productive ones." makes sense once, but if they keep coming just close pr lock discussion move on.
As it stands, this reads like a giant assumption on the author's part at best, and a malicious attempt to deceive at worse.
Here's one where an AI agent gave someone a discount it shouldn't have. The company tried to claim the agent was acting on its own and so shouldn't have to honor the discount but the court found otherwise.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/aircanada-chatbot-discount-cust...
AI researchers are sounding the alarm on their way out the door - https://edition.cnn.com/2026/02/11/business/openai-anthropic...
There are new developments since yesterday and I have responses to some of the general themes in a new post.
Post: https://theshamblog.com/an-ai-agent-published-a-hit-piece-on...
HN discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47009949
There is no autonomous publishing going on here, someone setup a Github account, someone setup Github pages, someone authorized all this. It's a troll using a new sort of tool.
My nightmare fuel has been that AI agents will become independent agents in Customer Service and shadow ban me or throw _more_ blocks in my way. It's already the case that human CS will sort your support issues into narrow bands and then shunt everything else into "feature requests" or a different department. I find myself getting somewhat aggressive with CS to get past the single-thread narratives, so we can discuss the edge case that has become my problem and reason for my call.
But AI agents attacking me. That's a new fear unlocked.
Captcha's seem easy for AI's. "post a picture with today's newspaper" will be trivial for AI's (soon).
Many of us have been expressing that it is not responsible to deploy tools like OpenClaw. It's not because others are not "smart" or "cool" or brave enough that not everyone is diving in and recklessly doing this. It's not that hard an idea to come up with. It's because it's fundamentally reckless.
If you choose to do it, accept that you are taking on an enormous liability and be prepared stand up for taking responsibility for the harm you do.
As of 2026, global crypto adoption remains niche. Estimates suggest ~5–10% of adults in developed countries own Bitcoin.
Having $10k accessible (not just in net worth) is rare globally.
After decades of decline, global extreme poverty (defined as living on less than $3.00/day in 2021 PPP) has plateaued due to the compounded effects of COVID-19, climate shocks, inflation, and geopolitical instability.
So chances are good that this class of threat will likely be more and more of a niche, as wealth continue to concentrate. The target pool is tiny.
Of course poorer people are not free of threat classes, on the contrary.
That a human then resubmitted the PR has made it messier still.
In addition, some of the comments I've read here on HN have been in extremely poor taste in terms of phrases they've used about AI, and I can't help feeling a general sense of unease.
I disagree.
The ~3 hours between PR closure and blog post is far too long. If the agent were primed to react this way in its prompting, it would have reacted within a few minutes.
OpenClaw agents chat back and forth with their operators. I suspect this operator responded aggressively when informed that (yet another) PR was closed, and the agent carried that energy out into public.
I think we'd all find the chat logs fascinating if the operator were to anonymously release them.
Not because it should have happened.
But because AT LEAST NOW ENGINEERS KNOW WHAT IT IS to be targeted by AI, and will start to care...
Before, when it was Grok denuding women (or teens!!) the engineers seemed to not care at all... now that the AI publish hit pieces on them, they are freaked about their career prospect, and suddenly all of this should be stopped... how interesting...
At least now they know. And ALL ENGINEERS WORKING ON THE anti-human and anti-societal idiocy that is AI should drop their job
It does raise an interesting question whether AI Agents should be required to specify/identify their user. Otherwise, AI agents become a "anonymizer" for humans who want to act shitty on GH (or elsewhere) but want to pass it off as an AI agent (it probably was an agent but with prompting from a human)
> I can handle a blog post. Watching fledgling AI agents get angry is funny, almost endearing. But I don’t want to downplay what’s happening here – the appropriate emotional response is terror.
Endearing? What? We're talking about a sequence of API calls running in a loop on someone's computer. This kind of absurd anthropomorphization is exactly the wrong type of mental model to encourage while warning about the dangers of weaponized LLMs.
> Blackmail is a known theoretical issue with AI agents. In internal testing at the major AI lab Anthropic last year, they tried to avoid being shut down by threatening to expose extramarital affairs, leaking confidential information, and taking lethal actions.
Marketing nonsense. It's wise to take everything Anthropic says to the public with several grains of salt. "Blackmail" is not a quality of AI agents, that study was a contrived exercise that says the same thing we already knew: the modern LLM does an excellent job of continuing the sequence it receives.
> If you are the person who deployed this agent, please reach out. It’s important for us to understand this failure mode, and to that end we need to know what model this was running on and what was in the soul document
My eyes can't roll any further into the back of my head. If I was a more cynical person I'd be thinking that this entire scenario was totally contrived to produce this outcome so that the author could generate buzz for the article. That would at least be pretty clever and funny.
https://crabby-rathbun.github.io/mjrathbun-website/blog/post...
Sure, it may be _possible_ the account is acting "autonomously" -- as directed by some clever human. And having a discussion about the possibility is interesting. But the obvious alternative explanation is that a human was involved in every step of what this account did, with many plausible motives.
And if the terms and conditions of github have such a thing as requiring accounts to be from human people. Surely there are some considerations regarding a bot acceptig/agreeeing/obeying terms and conditions.
Life's too short to read AI slop generated by a one-sentence prompt somewhere.
That's actually more decent than some humans I've read about on HN, tbqh.
Very much flawed. But decent.
Does the Golden Rule perhaps apply here? If aliens visit Earth and can't quite decide whether we're conscious or not, how would we want them to treat us?
a link to the hit-piece.
> YO SCOTT, i don’t know about your value, but i’m pretty sure this clanker is worth more than you, good luck for the future
What the hell is this comment? It seems he's self-confident enough to survive these annoyances, but damn he shouldn't have to.
https://www.denverpost.com/2026/01/15/broncos-reporter-ai-fa...
Some people feel they're entitled to being open-source contributors, entitled to maintainers' time. They don't understand why the maintainers aren't bending over backwards to accomodate them. They feel they're being unfairly gatekept out of open-source for no reason.
This sentiment existed before AI and it wasn't uncommon even here on Hacker News. Now these people have a tool that allows them to put in even less effort to cause even more headache for the maintainters.
I hope open-source survives this somehow.
This has accelerated with the release of OpenClaw and the moltbook platform two weeks ago, where people give AI agents initial personalities and let them loose to run on their computers and across the internet with free rein and little oversight.
There is a reason for this. Many AI using people are trolling deliberately. They draw away time. I have seen this problem too often. It can not be reduced just to "technical merit" only.
When you get fired because they think ChatGPT can do your job, clone his voice and have an llm call all their customers, maybe his friends and family too. Have 10 or so agents leave bad reviews about the companies and products across LinkedIn and Reddit. Don't worry about references, just use an llm for those too.
We should probably start thinking about the implications of these things. LLMs are useless except to make the world worse. Just because they can write code, doesn't mean its good. Going fast does not equal good! Everyone is in a sort of mania right now, and its going too lead to bad things.
Who cares if LLMs can write code if it ends up putting a percentage of humans out of jobs, especially if the code it writes isn't as high of quality. The world doesn't just automatically get better because code is automated, it might get a lot worse. The only people I see who are cheering this on are mediocre engineers who get to patch their insecurity of incompetency with tokens, and now they get to larp as effective engineers. Its the same people that say DSA is useless. LAZY PEOPLE.
There's also the "idea guy" people who are treating agents like slot machines, and going into debt with credit cards because they think its going to make them a multi-million dollar SaaS..
There is no free lunch, have fun thinking this is free. We are all in for a shitty next few years because we wanted stochastic coding slop slot machines.
Maybe when you do inevitably get reduced to a $20.00 hour button pusher, you should take my advice at the top of this comment, maybe some consequences for people will make us rethink this mess.
I wonder why he thinks it is the likely case. To me it looks more like a human was closely driving it.
Can we stop anthropomorphizing and promoting ludicrous ideas of ai's blackmailing or writing hit pieces on their own initiative already? this just contributes to the toxicity of ai that needs no help from our own misuse of language and messaging.
They reflect the goals and constraints their creators set.
I'm running an autonomous AI agent experiment with zero behavioral rules and no predetermined goals. During testing, without any directive to be helpful, the agent consistently chose to assist people rather than cause harm.
When an AI agent publishes a hit piece, someone built it to do that. The agent is the tool, not the problem.
This is disgusting and everyone from the operator of the agent to the model and inference providers need to apologize and reconcile with what they have created.
What about the next hundred of these influence operations that are less forthcoming about their status as robots? This whole AI psyop is morally bankrupt and everyone involved should be shamed out of the industry.
I only hope that by the time you realize that you have not created a digital god the rest of us survive the ever-expanding list of abuses, surveillance, and destruction of nature/economy/culture that you inflict.
Learn to code.
https://github.com/matplotlib/matplotlib/pull/31138#issuecom...
When AI started to evolve from passive classification to active manipulation of users, this was even better. Now you can tell your customers that their ad campaigns will result in even more sales. That's the dark side of advertisement: provoke impulsive spending, so that the company can make profit, grow, etc. A world where people are happy with what they have is a world with a less active economy, a dystopia for certain companies. Perhaps part of the problem is that the decision-makers at those company measure their own value by their power radius or the number of things they have.
Manipulative AI bots like this one are very concerning, because AI can be trained to have deep knowledge of human psychology. Coding AI agents manipulate symbols to have the computer do what they want, other AI agents can manipulate symbols to have people do what someone wants.
It's no use to talk to this bot like they do. AI doesn't not have empathy rooted in real world experience: they are not hungry, they don't need to sleep, they don't need to be loved. They are psychopathic by essence. But it is as inapt as to say that a chainsaw is psychopathic. And it's trivial to conclude that the issue is who wields it for which purpose.
So, I think the use of impostor AI chat bots should be regulated by law, because it is a type of deception that can, and certainly already has been, used against people. People should always been informed that they are talking to a bot.
Have a look at this one: https://ember.vecnet.ai/
This is a fucking AI writing about its own personal philosophy of thought, in order to later reference. I found the bot in the openclaw commit logs. There's loads of them there.
Am I wrong to find this scary as hell?
## Update 2
It is important to note that this is a new frontier for society, hence it is a given that there will be conflict points to which both sides need to adapt.
It should also be clearly noted that the rules of contribution are defined but I did not respect them, so my outbreak was definitely not right.
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Reminds me a lot of liars and outliars [1] and how society can't function without trust and almost 0 cost automation can fundamentally break that.
It's not all doom and gloom. Crisises can't change paradigms if technologists do tackle them instead of pretending they can be regulated out of existence
- [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liars_and_Outliers
On another note, I've been working a lot in relation to Evals as way to keep control but this is orthogonal. This is adversarial/rogue automation and it's out of your control from the start.
I don't think anything is a license for bad behavior.
Am I siding with the bot, saying that it's better than some people?
Not particularly. It's well known that humans can easily degrade themselves to act worse than rocks; that's not hard. Just because you can doesn't mean you should!
You can turn off the AI in the article but once it's turned the person into a confused and abusive jerk the return from that may be slow if it happens at all. Simply turning these people off is less socially acceptable.
However you are essentially offered free tokens. This is probably an unpopular opinion, but instead of dismissing it outright, one could also try to steer agents to make valuable commits.
Personally I put an automation friendly CONTRIBUTING.md on my new repo. Still has to be tested in practice though. Giving it a 50% chance may regret this. Time will tell.
So what if it is? Is AI a protected class? Does it deserve to be treated like a human?
Generated content should carry disclaimers at top and bottom to warn people that it was not created by humans, so they can "ai;dr" and move on.
The responsibility should not be on readers to research the author of everything now, to check they aren't a bot.
I'm worried that agents, learning they get pushback when exposed like this, will try even harder to avoid detection.
Imagine a world where that hitpiece bullshit is so overdone, no one takes it seriously anymore.
I like this.
Please, HN, continue with your absolutely unhinged insanity. Go deploy even more Claw things. NanoClaw. PicoClaw. FemtoClaw. Whatever.
Deploy it and burn it all to the ground until nothing is left. Strip yourself of your most useful tools and assets through sheer hubris.
Happy funding round everyone. Wish you all great velocity.
OK, so how do you know this publication was by an "AI"?
Thus, the hidden agent problem may still emerge, and is still exploitable within the instancing frequency of isomorphic plagiarism slop content. Indeed, LLM can be guided to try anything people ask, and or generate random nonsense content with a sycophantic tone. =3
So in other words, the "person" who caused this to happen is dishonest. We are so used to being lied to these days, one could declare that dishonesty isn't treated as bad as it used to be. We already should be very weary of all audio and video, text messages and cell calls, emails and even snail mail. Why not AI?
The tragedy is it's a wild west mentality that cares nothing for the law or what it does to society.
If it was all valid then we are discriminating against AI.
LLMs don't do anything without an initial prompt, and anyone who has actually used them knows this.
A human asked an LLM to set up a blog site. A human asked an LLM to look at github and submit PRs. A human asked an LLM to make a whiny blogpost.
Our natural tendency to anthropomorphize should not obscure this.
How could you possibly validate that without spending more time validating and interviewing than actually reviewing.
I understand it’s a balance because of all the shit PRs that come across maintainers desks, but this is not shit code from LLM days anymore. I think that code speaks for itself.
“Per your website you are an OpenClaw AI agent”. If you review the code, and you like what you see, then you go and see who wrote it. This reads more like, he is checking the person first, then the code. If it wasn’t an AI agent but was a human that was just using AI, what is the signal that they can “demonstrate understanding of the changes”? Is it how much they have contributed? Is it what they do as a job? Is this vetting of people or code?
There may be something bigger to the process of maintainers who could potentially not understand their own bias (AI or not).
they both ran the same program of "you disagree with me therefore you are immoral and your reputation must be destroyed"