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0 pointsalbert_e1mo ago0 comments

It's not just geographic regions around the globe.

It is also the wide array of services -- well integrated into their primitives of security, authentication, governance, monitoring and logging, etc

Is there a EU cloud provider that provides -- even if limited to EU geography -- the equivalent of Blob Storage + Azure Data Lake Storage + Azure Data Factory or Fabric + Microsoft Foundry with native access to OpenAI and Anthropic models?

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thibaut_barrere1mo ago

Having used both worlds: a lot of the provided features come with strong vendor lock-in, and in most cases that not, with slightly stronger “local” engineering you can reach the same targets and needs locally.

The more I work (started coding 40 years ago, and data engineering 25 years ago), the more I favor designs that are less coupled to cloud features.

If you do so, the offering in the EU just as it is now is well enough to scale.

In short: more computer science, less delegating to cloud operators, stronger designs.

rm301mo ago

The irony is that EU education is still broader and more grounded in fundamentals, compared to US one that has become increasingly skills-oriented.

I also prefer to design solutions that are portable and platform independent, cloud providers simplify and hide something to you, it has a cost (not just money) that you cannot quantify on long term and that's clear for who has experience in both worlds.

albert_eOP1mo ago

This is sane advice but maintaining strong internal engineering and IT teams is not everone's cup of tea; even organizations gthat intend and try to do this cannot achieve it -- and furthermore the big cloud operators have spent millions of dollars spreading the gospel that the only correct way to survive and build is to migrate to cloud and use their lego building blocks.

A lot of the justification for moving away from own datacenters and heavy in-house engineering teams actually makes sense to organizations of many shapes and sizes. If the core business is not technology -- it is hard to stay invested in a in-house cloud-agnostic engineeringc capability.

The world has more or less accepted this reality and adopted the services like S3 and managed databases, and tight integration with the likes of Microsoft Entra/Purview/Sharepoint/O365 etc for ready-to-use business integrations. Prying organizations away from taht convenience is going to be hard. But the current environment cretaed due to lack of trust in US could the strongest motivator ever to push businesses and nations in that direction. I reckon it will be a long and painful process though.

2III71mo ago

How about not limiting yourself to specific services? If you've built your product around specific cloud providers services then that is the problem not the fact that there aren't alternatives to those seevices.

ExoticPearTree1mo ago

Until two years ago, I did not need Google Dataflow as a very specific example. But then new business requirements came in and there were two options:

- develop something internally and support it

- use a cloud provider offering, fire it up and forget about it

The choice was pretty straightforward.

the_real_cher1mo ago

You can get all of that in the EU via scaleway, Ionos etc. for example.

I don't know what you mean by native access to frontier models. Who has native access to these frontier models?

pjmlp1mo ago

You don't need to tick all boxes from a cloud vendor.

Boring technology goes a long way.

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