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0 pointsShorel1mo ago0 comments

The most stable Linux API is Wine/Win32.

There are many older games I can't install on Linux anymore, because they used an older SDL1 or some particular X11 version or some GPU driver that's no longer available for the current kernel.

The exact same game, Windows version, can be installed and runs flawlessly on both Linux and Windows.

So, native Vulkan executables? Sure, if they can continue to run in 20 years.

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TingPing1mo ago

Those games did weird things. Every distro still ships SDL1, x11 didn’t really break API, and requiring a specific driver is obviously broken from the start. I won’t say none of this happens but the platform isn’t to blame there.

TheCycoONE1mo ago

Even glibc breaks ABI. The linux userspace ABI is too unstable and games don't have to be doing weird things to hit it.

cardanome1mo ago

I never understood why glibc needs to break ABI. It should not be allowed to. Ever.

You are not reinventing the wheel. Just maintain the damn thing and keep it running as is. As Linus once said "If there's a bug that people rely on, it's not a bug, it's a feature.".

seabrookmx1mo ago

Valve is working on this problem for native Linux games: https://gitlab.steamos.cloud/steamrt/steamrt/-/blob/steamrt/...

This is a similar idea to flatpak/snap etc.

pjmlp1mo ago

Just like for OS/2, what a great success it was.

tapoxi1mo ago

It's a different situation, OS/2 was significantly more expensive than Windows, Linux is free.

jdkfkgkkdbkd1mo ago

os/2 2.1 was free during some periods in the 90s, I and several friends got it just for the free floppies. Though none of us paid for windows either, I guess it was free as well.

aleph_minus_one1mo ago

The development tools for OS/2 were worse and far more expensive.

groundzeros20151mo ago

It’s working right now, what are you arguing against.

pjmlp1mo ago

It seems to be working, that is the thing building castles in foreign kingdoms.

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LtWorf1mo ago

There are a lot of older games that won't run on windows 11 as well. In fact most of my games no longer work on windows 11.

Your point?

ShorelOP1mo ago

I still have a couple of brain games I use from the Win 3.11 era.

And they run fine.

jayd161mo ago

Yeah? Most? So like what?

LtWorf1mo ago

So targeting windows isn't stable either? Which is why GOG even exists.

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0 pointsShorel1mo ago0 comments

The most stable Linux API is Wine/Win32.

There are many older games I can't install on Linux anymore, because they used an older SDL1 or some particular X11 version or some GPU driver that's no longer available for the current kernel.

The exact same game, Windows version, can be installed and runs flawlessly on both Linux and Windows.

So, native Vulkan executables? Sure, if they can continue to run in 20 years.

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TingPing1mo ago

TheCycoONE1mo ago

Even glibc breaks ABI. The linux userspace ABI is too unstable and games don't have to be doing weird things to hit it.

cardanome1mo ago

I never understood why glibc needs to break ABI. It should not be allowed to. Ever.

You are not reinventing the wheel. Just maintain the damn thing and keep it running as is. As Linus once said "If there's a bug that people rely on, it's not a bug, it's a feature.".

seabrookmx1mo ago

Valve is working on this problem for native Linux games: https://gitlab.steamos.cloud/steamrt/steamrt/-/blob/steamrt/...

This is a similar idea to flatpak/snap etc.

pjmlp1mo ago

Just like for OS/2, what a great success it was.

tapoxi1mo ago

It's a different situation, OS/2 was significantly more expensive than Windows, Linux is free.

jdkfkgkkdbkd1mo ago

os/2 2.1 was free during some periods in the 90s, I and several friends got it just for the free floppies. Though none of us paid for windows either, I guess it was free as well.

aleph_minus_one1mo ago

The development tools for OS/2 were worse and far more expensive.

groundzeros20151mo ago

It’s working right now, what are you arguing against.

pjmlp1mo ago

It seems to be working, that is the thing building castles in foreign kingdoms.

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LtWorf1mo ago

There are a lot of older games that won't run on windows 11 as well. In fact most of my games no longer work on windows 11.

Your point?

ShorelOP1mo ago

I still have a couple of brain games I use from the Win 3.11 era.