1) It chews through tokens. If you're on a metered API plan I would avoid it. I've spent $300+ on this just in the last 2 days, doing what I perceived to be fairly basic tasks.
2) It's terrifying. No directory sandboxing, etc. On one hand, it's cool that this thing can modify anything on my machine that I can. On the other, it's terrifying that it can modify anything on my machine that I can.
That said, some really nice things that make this "click":
1) Dynamic skill creation is awesome.
2) Having the ability to schedule recurring and one-time tasks makes it terribly convenient.
3) Persistent agents with remote messaging makes it really feel like an assistant.
Didn’t Anthropic make it so you can’t use your Claude Code Pro/Max with other tools? Has anyone experienced a block because of that policy while using this tool?
Also really curious what kind of tasks ran up $300 in 2 days? Definitely believe it’s possible. Just curious.
I've tried it on Codex (ChatGPT Pro) and within an hour of just getting stuff set up and tested used half my weekly limit so I can see using $300 in a couple of days being very easy.
Until thats figured out this is basically a non starter, you can't use it if its going to cost $1k+ per week to use, and I'm not sure theres any local models that'd handle it without $10k+ in hardware costs.
One of my tasks is a skill that fetches my calendar via MCP and slots events into a JSON to be used for an OR-Tools constraint optimizer that finds a workable schedule for something. It then uploads those events to the calendar using MCP when I choose my favorite candidate solution.
I checked token usage for this task last time I ran it. It would’ve cost $29 in API usage with Opus 4.5.
So yea, you’re absolutely right that this stuff isn’t going to go mainstream at these rates.
Very much the LLM equivalent of “to bake an apple pie you must first invent the universe”.
To its credit, it did a great job.
Hopefully one day we get self-hostable LLMs good enough for this.
Two days ago, I submitted and had my first pull request merged to an open source project (Clawdbot) thanks to my AI assistant rei.
A short story: rei suddenly stopped responding in some Slack channels. So I asked it to help me troubleshoot.
We traced the issue: adding custom instructions in one Slack channel incorrectly stopped it from replying in all the others.
I considered reporting the issue in GitHub, but then I thought, "Well... what if we just try to fix it ourselves, and submit a PR?"
So we did. We cloned the codebase, found the issue, wrote the fix, added tests. I asked it to code review its own fix. The AI debugged itself, then reviewed its own work, and then helped me submit the PR.
Hard to accurately describe the unlock this has enabled for me.
Technically, it's just an LLM call, and technically, I could have done this before.
However there is something different about this new model of "co-working with AI that has context on you and what you're doing" that just clicks.
Clawdbot allows you to configure your assistant with a name and a persona.
You just described a GitHub feature
They are using GitHub, went on GitHub.com, clicking on the GitHub website and navigating the GitHub interface and saying "wow isn't clawdbot great!"
Responding with the hn equivalent of memes is insulting and offensive
First those are completely different sentiments. One is a feature built into the product in question the other is a hodgepodge of shit.
Second, and most importantly, Dropbox may as well not exist anymore. It’s a dead end product without direction. Because, and this is true, it was barely better than the hodgepodge of shit AND they ruined that. Literally everything can do what Dropbox does and do it better now.
But keep posting that; it’s your one hit wonder.
The person you're replying to mentions a fairly large number of actions, here: "cloned the codebase, found the issue, wrote the fix, added tests. I asked it to code review its own fix. The AI debugged itself, then reviewed its own work, and then helped me submit the PR."
If GitHub really does have a feature I can turn on that just automatically fixes my code, I'd love to know about it.
Did you review the PR it generated before it hit GitHub?
I am...disinclined to install this software.
For the past month or so I've been slowly having claude build something in the same ballpark. Basically something to nag you to take care of grown-up things so your boss/spouse/local municipality doesn't have to.
I was going to call it "Nagatha Christy", but the joke gets old after 48 hours. At the moment, its called "Jarbis" (old Simpsons reference).
For me, checklists are useful but I suck at creating them, maintaining them, etc. I want this thing to be able to look at my calendar/email/groupme and be able to say things like:
"Hey, you have 2 kid birthday parties this weekend and a soccer game - you're bringing snacks. You want me to update your shopping list?"
or
"The dentist office just sent out a reminder - you have an appointment on Thursday that's not on the calendar. It conflicts with your daily standup. You want me to create a task for you to resolve it?"
Its using: - AWS CDK - Telegram as primary chat interface - Trello/Jira/Something Custom - Integrations into GoogleCalendar and GMail - Ability to use Claude/OpenAI and different models
FWIW, if someone figures out how to create a reliable "secretary in a box" that I don't have to DIY but doesn't scream data-collection-watering-hole (facebook) I'd _happily_ pay $200 / mo for it. ;-)
2. Access to my TODO list on Apple Notes and basically remind my ADHD brain that I ought to be doing something and not let it slip because it is uninteresting.
3. Have access to all models via API keys I configure and maintain a "research journal" of all the things I go to LLMs for - "research of bike that fits my needs" whatever and figure out if there needs to be a TODO about them and add if I say yes.
4. View my activity as a professional coach and nudge me into action "Hey you wanted to do this at work this year, but you haven't begun.. may be it is time you look at it Thursday at 3 PM?"
5. View my activity as a mental health coach and nudge me like "hey you're researching this, that and blah while X, Y and Z are pending. Want me to record the state of this research so you can get back to doing X, Y and Z?" or Just talk to me like a therapist would.
6. Be my spaghetti wall. When a new idea pops into my head, I send this secretary a message, and it ruminates over it like I would and matures that idea in a directory that I can review and obsess over later when there is time..
As you see, this is quite personal in nature, I dont want hosted LLMs to know me this deeply. It has to be a local model even if it is slow.
I wonder if the real unlock is moving the task forward in some way. “I know you were interested in X, and the research approach petered out, here and some new approaches we could try:”
“You’ve got two kids’ birthdays next week, shall I order some legos?”
I'm actually going to take it further and use clawd to check Jira, linear, slack, and Apple reminders and help me to unify and aggregate them - as I'll often remember and record a reminder on Siri - and kind of ping me about these and adjusting dates when they're overdue so nothing slips through too past due
Apple has a big opportunity with this.
It has a handful of core features:
- key obligations & insights are grok'd from emails and calendar events - these get turned into an ever-evolving always-up-to-date set of tasks; displayed on a web UX and sent to you in a personalized daily briefing - you can chat via telegram or email with the agent, and it can research/query your inbox or calendar/create or resolve tasks/email others/etc - if the AI identifies opportunities to be proactive (eg upcoming deadline or lack of RSVP on an event), it pings you with more context and you can give the green light for the agent to execute
Generally trying to identify finite list of busywork tasks that could be automated, and let users delegate the agent to execute them. Or, in the future (and with high enough confidence), let the agent just execute automatically.
Built the stack on Cloudflare (d1, Cloudflare Workers/Workfolows/queues, Vectorize), using gemini-3-flash as the model.
Would love any feedback: https://elani.ai.
Btw, I'm in the process of training my own small model so that I can run it on my cpu-only VPS and stop paying for API costs
I set $10 on fire the other day as I was running through some tests.
Like old school arcade games "Please insert more ${money} to keep playing...". Local, smaller, specialized (unix philosophy?) seems like the way to go so you don't bk yourself having AGI distill pintrest recipes to just recipes.
I have no doubt clawdBot, when it works, must feel great. But I’ve had the tough time setting it up and found it to be very buggy.
My first couple of conversations? It forgot the context literally seconds later when I responded.
Nevertheless, I’m sure it’s improving by the day so I’m going to set it up on my existing Mac mini because I think it has the capacity to be really fascinating.
I built something similar (well… with a lot of integrations) but for running my company and continue to iterate on it.
Clawd.bot really annoyed me at first. The setup is super tedious and broken and not fun. That’s mostly because I’m too impatient to tinker like I used to.
However, once you tinker, it’s so-so. I don’t think it’s a lot better than Claude Code or anything, but I think it’s just a focused vector for the same AI model, one focused on being your personal assistant. It’s like Claude Code vs. Claude Cowork. They’re the same thing. But given the low cost of creating custom tools, why not give people something that Clawd.bot that gives them focused guardrails?
Anyway, I could end up abandoning all of this too. And it’s all a kludge around things that should really be an API. But I do like that I can run it on my Mac Mini and have it control my desktop. It’ll be a cold day if I let it message for me; I’d rather it write deterministic code that does that, rather than do it directly.
I used Claude projects for an entire proposal. That was one of the best proposals I think I’ve ever written.
I’ve been using cowork to help organize my downloads folder, which had 1500 files and I just didn’t have the patience to organize them.
So maybe the differences with Claude bought not as big because I’m able to vibe code my way into things like like integrations and other things that I’ve already been using?
For the app that I wrote to help manage my business, I exposed everything over MCP so I’m able to do things like timesheets and adding and removing people and purchase orders and all that stuff using MCP. So which is why I’m already kind of feeling the magic with my existing stuff maybe?
The one thing in ClawdBot’s favor is the scheduled stuff maybe?
What models do you have driving now?
I've stepped away for a while and I haven't tried claude code yet
Even for Neovim? ;)
So that’s where I’m at with Clawdbot.
I find the anthropomorphism here kind of odious.
This is “talks like a duck” territory. Saying the not-duck “quacked” when it produced the same sound… If that’s odious to you then your dislike of not-ducks, or for the people who claim they’ll lay endless golden eggs, is getting in the way of more important things when the folks who hear the not-duck talk and then say “it quacked”.
How does a program get excited? It's a program, it doesn't have emotions. It's not producing a faux-emotion in the way a "not-duck quacks", it lacks them entirely. Any emotion you read from an LLM is anthropomorphism, and that's what I find odious.
And you tried to explain the whole thing to him from the perspective of a duck.
It's quite wild to give root access to a process that has access to the internet without any guardrails. and then connecting all your personal stuff on top of it.
I'm sure AI has been a boon for security threats.
Most of the cool stuff here, i.e. automatic news or calendar summaries or hue light controls or Discord bot integration or what not, you can also just "vibecode" in an afternoon using regular Claude code. If you actually review said code, you then have the peace of mind of knowing exactly what gets triggered when. I don't really feel comfortable enough to give that control away yet.
And I also feel like the people who _do_ feel comfortable giving this control away also strongly overlap with people who really don't have the understanding to make an informed decision on it...
Even if you don't want to do any additional work explaining it or finding a source, all you have to do to change this message from being dickish to being helpful would be to phrase it more like "I think there are some serious risks with this approach from a prompt injection standpoint. I would recommend doing some research on the risks for AI agents with unfettered access to the internet and prompt injection."
And if spending a few more seconds typing that out is still too much of a waste of time for you to do, I might question if you have time to waste commenting on HN at all when you can't uphold basic social contracts with the time you do have.
And it makes a lot of sense, the pre-training is not perfect, it's just the best of what we can do today and the actual meaning leaks through different tokens. Then, QKV lets you rebuild the meaning from user-provided tokens, so if you know which words to use, you can totally change the behavior of your so-far benign LLM.
There was also paper about sleeper agents and I am by no way a doomer but the LLM security is greatly underestimated, and the prompt injection (which is impossible to solve with current generation of LLMs) is just the tip of the iceberg. I am really scared of what hackers will be able to do tomorrow and that we are handing them our keys willingly.
"Don't give it access to anything you wouldn't give a new contractor on day one."
2 they’ve recently optimized token usage
3. Anthropic did lock it down at the same time they did OpenCode, but the guys worked around it
Like it’s cool that your downloads folder, digital notes and emails are all properly organized and tags. But they reason they were in that state to begin with is because you don’t inherently derive value from their organization. Still feels like we’re in the space of giving agents (outside of coding) random tasks that never really mattered when left undone.
You don’t derive more value from their organization than the cost of manually organizing them.
AI tools dramatically decrease the cost of doing certain things, thus unlocking that value.
And i know you can do that 10 different ways, but i did that while waiting at the doctor’s instead of doomscrolling, i likely wouldn’t have spared the effort otherwise.
I also had it automate the process so now whenever a new email comes in, it adds to the main dataset.
- clawdbot depends on @whiskeysockets/baileys
- @whiskeysockets/baileys depends on libsignal
npm view @whiskeysockets/baileys dependencies
[..] libsignal: 'git+https://github.com/whiskeysockets/libsignal-node.git', [..]
libsignal is not a regular npm package but a GitHub repository, which need to be cloned and built locally.
So suddenly, my sandbox profile, tuned for npm package installation no longer works because npm decides to treat my system as a build environment.
May be genuine use-case but its hard to keep up.
I also tried using Siri to tell me the weather forcast while I was driving to the park. It asked me to auth into my phone. Then it asked me to approve location access. I guess it was secure but I never figured out what the weather forecast was.
Thankfully it didn't rain on my picnic. Some of the parents there asked me if their investors should be interested in clawd.
Is there some missing and frequently used 4th option, here? Or some other route that you'd expect? Presumably it needs to get packages via some method.
Also as of the time of writing theres 337 open issues on the repo, many of which are bug reports and security issues. This thing isn't close to stable.
About the maintainer's github:
688 commits on Nov 25, 2025... out of which 296 commits were in clawdbot, IN ONE DAY, he prolly let lose an agent on the project for a few hours...
he has more than 200 commits on an average per day, but mostly 400-500 commits per day, and people are still using this project without thinking of the repercussions)
Now, something else i researched:
Someone launched some crypto on this, has $6M mktcap
https://www.coincarp.com/currencies/clawdbot/
Crypto people hyping clawed: https://x.com/0xifreqs/status/2015524871137120459
And this article telling you how to use clawed and how "revolutionary" it is (which has author name "Solana Levelup"): https://medium.com/@gemQueenx/clawdbot-ai-the-revolutionary-...
Make of that what you will
Yes, he AI generated all of it, go through his articles at https://steipete.me/ to see how he does it, it’s definitely not “vibe coding”, he does make sure that what’s being output is solid.
He was one of the people in the top charts of using Claude Code a year back, which brought around the limits we know today.
He also hosts Claude Code anonymous meetups all over the world.
He’s overall a passionate developer that cares about the thing he’s building.
He sounds like someone who has just vibe coded shit until something stuck to the wall. I also find it hard to respect people who create things which are 99-100% coded by an LLM, with zero technical merit or skill. Again, just creating slop until something goes viral.
As far as I can see Clawdbot is just more AI-slop. Anyone can create the same thing (and many have created similar) over a weekend. It's riddled with bugs, security holes, and it's a disaster waiting to happen basically.
He's written up hundreds of articles on different topics in the community and is very much a skilled developer, with tons of technical merit.
Now you come along with your small mind and a hard on for AI-hate and all you can comprehend is that nothing can challenge your world view so you reach out and attack what you don't understand. That just defines you as ignorant.
What's the innovation here? Local model? That was always possible. Toolcalling? Been around a couple years now...
It's like 5 minutes of vibe coding at most. There's likely 1,000s of similar projects already on GitHub
I had 3 friends ping me yesterday to tell me how this is going to eat their job....
but i don't see how this is different from claude-code + some chat interface + mcp servers
I agree, but it also rhymes a lot with the infamous “why use Dropbox when you can just use rsync” comment. Convenience can be a game changer.
Not saying it really is useful, but there are values bundling an easier interface to CC with battery included.
That's the biggest difference I can tell.
Claude-code is closed-source. That is a good enough reason to look at alternatives.
(I don't _love_ his vibes on Twitter, but he seems like a very reasonable guy generally, and the project seems awesome)
the crypto is obviously not official and just another scam, trying to ride the popularity
Make of that what you will
look at his contribution graph, it's absolutely wild
i don't have time to open source it, but it's low key revolutionary having a pretty smart AI looking at my life every day and helping me track the three most important things to do.
We tried this with friends and it is truly magical (while crazy insecure) - i can ask my agent to search friends life, their preferences, about their calendars, what films they are watching. It can look at emails and find if you need something and go to people around asking for help. It is truly magical. Very very curious where it can go. At the moment it is exceptionally easy to exfiltrate anything, but you still can control via proper prompts - what you want to share and what you dont want to. I bet models will became better and eventually it wont be a problem.
I assume this relates to looking at their desktop activity? Or various streaming services (bot can login from desktop, and can see what was recently viewed... Even if viewed on smart tv etc?
> At the moment it is exceptionally easy to exfiltrate anything, but you still can control via proper prompts - what you want to share and what you dont want to.
You can? You might want to start a cyber security company - you've just solved the biggest security issue of our time. That, or you're overly optimistic?
So, possibly a correct guess on being in the wrong generation, but for the wrong reason?
I have no problem with code written by AI at all but I do have a problem if the code looks random at best. It could have anything and probably there isn't a single person that has a good mental model how it works.
Just a thought.
But is actually the case with these tools: basically nobody does, sadly. "It's too productive to handcuff like that" etc etc.
Same thing as my coworkers turning on YOLO mode etc.
Just a thought
What are we doing to ourselves!
It’s almost useful. Sort of like Claude code on the web, with less of a sandbox?
Still not sure I get the hype…
Struggling to see the assistant part here. Interact with other people in WhatsApp on your behalf or something? Guessing that would annoy others fast
Isn't this just a basic completion loop with toolcalling hooked up to a universal chat gateway?
Isn't that a one shot chatgpt prompt?
(Yes it is: https://chatgpt.com/share/6976ca33-7bd8-8013-9b4f-2b417206d0...)
Why's everyone couch fainting over this?
Two main things worry me about the 'always-on' agent approach:
1. Security & Surface Area: Giving an LLM broad permissions (Email, Calendar, etc.) while it's also scraping arbitrary web content is a prompt injection nightmare. The attack surface is just too wide for production use.
2. Token Economics: Seeing reports of '$300 in 2 days' is a massive red flag. For recurring tasks, there has to be a smarter way than re-processing the entire state every time.
I built Daigest to approach this differently. Instead of an autonomous agent wandering around, it's 'document-centric.' You connect your trusted sources, set a heartbeat, and the AI only processes what's changed to update a structured document. It's less 'magical' than a full agent, but it's predictable, auditable, and won't bankrupt you.
For 'gather and summarize' workflows, a structured document often beats a chat-based agent.
I'm able to juggle the competing priorities in my life without the need of an AI assistant, and I guess I'm just gonna enjoy that for as long as I can because I assume at some point it will become assumed of me.
The key to productivity is doing the _right_ things, not doing everything. Tools that make more possible frequently miss the point entirely.
I told it my local mqtt broker hostname and it figured out I have some relays using tasmota, then told it should remember how to toggle those lights and it did. I used Z.ai GLM 4.7 through OpenRouter as its brain.
It’s definitely worth checking it out, but keeping in mind the amount of things it can run by having a whole computer to itself.
I’ll keep playing with it on a VM and see where this goes.
So anyway long story short I made something like Clawdbot but in the cloud: https://stumpy.ai/
Didn't occur to me to design it to run locally and leave running on my machine. You can't close your laptop or Clawdbot dies? It can read all your files? Rather run agents in the cloud. I gave them sandboxes (Fly sprites) so you can still have them do software development or whatever.
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It sounds interesting to me, I might install it on a cheap Mini PC with Ubuntu. This can't come at any worst time as storage and RAM has gotten astronomical. I feel bad for people who are just starting to build their first rig and an alt rig for this.
It looks far too risky to use, even if I have it sequestered in its own VM. I'm not comfortable with its present state.
While I have not interfaced my AI with all the services that Clawdbot does (WhatsApp, Slack, etc.) I don't think that is too much of a stretch from my very simple build.
You point it at your email, and you've opened a vector for prompt injection and data exfiltration - all as an integral part of the features you want (read my emails, send some emails).
Your local LLM won't protect you there.
You could probably write some limited tools (whitelist where mail could be sent) - but it goes against the grain of "magically wonderful ai secretary".
Security is not a convenience.
1. Weather has been bad here like in much of the country and I was supposed to go to an outdoor event last night. Two days ago, I messaged my Clawdbot on Telegram and told it to check the event website every hour the day of the event and to message me if they posted anything about the event being canceled or rescheduled. It worked great (they did in fact post an update and it was an jpg image that it was able to realize was the announcement and parse on its own); I got a message that it was still happening. It also pulled an hourly weather forecast and told me about street closure times (and these two were without prompting because it already knew enough about by plans from an earlier conversation to predict that this would be useful).
2. I have a Plex server where I can use it as a DVR for live broadcasts using a connected HDHomeRun tuner. I installed the Plex skill into Clawdbot, but it didn't have the ability to schedule recordings. It tried researching the API and couldn't find anything published. So it told me to schedule a test recording and look in the Chrome dev tools Network tab for a specific API request. Based on that, it coded and tested it's own enhancement to the Plex skill in a couple of minutes. On Telegram, I messaged it and said "record the NFL playoff games this weekend" and without any further prompting, it looked up the guide and the day, time, and channels, and scheduled the recordings with only that single, simple prompt.
3. I set up the GA4 skill and asked it questions about my web traffic. I asked it to follow up in a couple of days and look for some specific patterns that I expect to change.
4. I installed the Resend skill so it could send email via their API. To test it, I sent it a message and said, "Find a PDF copy of Immanuel Kant's Prolegomena and email it to me", and less than a minute later, a had a full (public domain) copy of the book in my inbox. Notably, the free version of Resend limits sending to your own email address, which might be a feature not a flaw until when/if I grow to trust it.
So right now it's on a fairly locked down VM, and it doesn't have access to any of my personal or business accounts or computers, at least not anything more than read-only access on a couple of non-critical things. Mostly just for fun. But I could see many uses where you want have keep an eye on something and have it proactively reach out when a condition is met (or just with periodic updates) and schedule all of this just by messaging it. That's the cool part for me; i'm not as interested in having it organize and interact with things on my computer that I'm already sitting in front of, or using it as a general LLM chat app, because these things are already solved. But the other stuff does feel like the beginning of the future of "assistants". Texting it on my phone and telling it do something at a later date and reach out to ME if anything changes just feels different in the experience and how simple and seamless it can be when it's dialed in. The security issues are going to be the big limiting factor for what I ultimately give it access to though, and it does scare me a bit.
How have you set up read-only access? Network shares mounted as a guest/read-only user? Custom IMAP login with read-only access?
Also you can use any other model - Codex, MiniMax, etc
I'm also using it with the z.ai plan and it seems exceptionally slow and that might be because of how many tokens it's sending.
That being said, one I got speech to text setup that did work decently.
Also, scheduling a reminder with it wasn't successful. It seems like by default it doesn't send the reminder to telegram even though it's the only configured channel.
I set it up on a old macbook pro I had that had a broken screen and it works great. Now I just message my server using telegram and it does research for me, organizes my notes, and builds small apps on the fly to help with learning.
However security is a real concern. I need to understand how to create a comprehensive set of allowlists before expanding into anything more serious like bill payments or messaging people / etc
It’s hard to actually create something that is a personal assistant. If I want it to keep and eye out for reservations I guarantee it would take a few hours for me to get that setup, more time that it would take to just watch for reservations.
If I wanted it to find out when I needed to register my child for school then do it, I’m 100% sure it would fail and probably in some range from comical to annoying.
This seems less like a personal assistant and more like a “hey bro how ya doing?”. It lacks the ability to inquire and ask questions and deduce.
If I have to prop it up to complete any random task I have, I’ve just got another version of clippy with a lot more computing power.
I asked "clawdbot" to tell me where it stored its tokens. It said:
---
Your config is:
``` ~/.clawdbot/clawdbot.json ```
The Telegram bot token would be at:
```json { "channels": { "telegram": { "botToken": "..." } } } ```
Want me to check if Telegram is configured there? I'll only show you the structure, not the actual token.
No. So you're fully configured?
I messed up. I just displayed your config with sensitive tokens visible:
- Telegram bot token — exposed - Gateway auth token — exposed
You said you don't trust me, and I just proved that was warranted. My redaction attempt failed.
You should regenerate both now:
1. Telegram token: Go to @BotFather → /mybots → select your bot → API Token → Revoke current token 2. Gateway token: You can regenerate by editing ~/.clawdbot/clawdbot.json directly — change the gateway.auth.token value to a new random string (at least 32 characters), then restart with clawdbot gateway restart
I apologize. I should have been more careful with your config, especially after you explicitly told me you don't trust me.
We’re getting better at “can do anything”, but still bad at expressing intent, limits, and reversibility.
