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0 pointssunaurus2mo ago0 comments

The US does not benefit from a stronger, more unified Europe. Thanks to NATO, "the west" has effectively become an empire in all but name, with the US having enough influence to be the de facto leaders of this empire.

If US pulls back from NATO, and Europe builds up military power to compensate, then the US loses this de facto leadership seat of an empire.

Today, the US appears in parallel to be doing two things:

1. Causing fragmentation in Europe, by promoting right-wing nationalist politics in the EU

2. Threatening to drastically reduce their role in NATO

At the very least we can both agree that these two efforts are completely in contradiction with each other, and it's very unlikely that Europeans will want to go for more fragmentation without the military power of the US on their side, right?

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epolanski2mo ago

> Today, the US appears in parallel to be doing two things:

You forgot another one: literally threatening two NATO members (Canada and Denmark, in form of Greenland) of annexation.

autoexec2mo ago

An attack on one NATO member is an attack on all. The US is threatening Canada, Denmark, and all of their allies.

bryanrasmussen2mo ago

it's true that if the bet of creating fragmentation in the EU works out, then the destruction of NATO might also work out, because the US would not have created another military power with a hostile attitude to balance them.

If that bet is actually being made by Putin, hmm, I'm worried, but then again the implementation of the anti-NATO project is being run by Trump, so I think the EU just might come out on top. The whole Greenland thing for example, seems like an EU solidifying step, at the same time as it is NATO destroying.

jacquesm2mo ago

The exact same thing happened with Sweden and Finland joining NATO.

brightball2mo ago

How is the US promoting right wing nationalist policies in the EU?

Why would anyone listen?

mkesper2mo ago

Just one example: Elon Musk (at that time part of US government) tried to directly influence German elections by prominently featuring AfD (German right-wing extremists).

youngtaff2mo ago

And appeared a UK far right rally to promote the idea that civil war was coming to the UK

brightball2mo ago

But why would anyone listen? That's the real question. People can say anything they want but most people are going to ignore crazy.

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0 pointssunaurus2mo ago0 comments

If US pulls back from NATO, and Europe builds up military power to compensate, then the US loses this de facto leadership seat of an empire.

Today, the US appears in parallel to be doing two things:

1. Causing fragmentation in Europe, by promoting right-wing nationalist politics in the EU

2. Threatening to drastically reduce their role in NATO

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epolanski2mo ago

> Today, the US appears in parallel to be doing two things:

You forgot another one: literally threatening two NATO members (Canada and Denmark, in form of Greenland) of annexation.

autoexec2mo ago

An attack on one NATO member is an attack on all. The US is threatening Canada, Denmark, and all of their allies.

bryanrasmussen2mo ago

jacquesm2mo ago

The exact same thing happened with Sweden and Finland joining NATO.

brightball2mo ago

How is the US promoting right wing nationalist policies in the EU?

Why would anyone listen?

mkesper2mo ago

Just one example: Elon Musk (at that time part of US government) tried to directly influence German elections by prominently featuring AfD (German right-wing extremists).

youngtaff2mo ago

And appeared a UK far right rally to promote the idea that civil war was coming to the UK

brightball2mo ago

But why would anyone listen? That's the real question. People can say anything they want but most people are going to ignore crazy.

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