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0 pointszahlman5mo ago0 comments

> people paying for things at stores is not because everyone has actually agreed on the price.

... I genuinely can't fathom what it's like to live in a developed country and yet have such little social trust.

You really imagine that when others are in line at a checkout, they have the intrusive thought "I could just bolt and not pay, but I see a security guard so I better stay in line"? You really have that thought yourself?

Of course people have agreed on the price. That's why you don't see anyone trying to negotiate the price, even though they would be perfectly within their rights to try. And it's why you do see people comparison-shop.

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XorNot5mo ago· 5 in thread

If you break the law, what happens to you? What does the state do to you?

Like say you persistently just refuse to pay a parking ticket after court orders to do so?

zahlmanOP5mo ago

I understand that. It is not relevant, and does not establish your original point.

wrs5mo ago

You're missing the point -- I don't refuse to pay a parking ticket after the court orders me to do so. I don't stand in the checkout line trying to figure out how to run out without paying. I don't threaten people on the sidewalk and take their money when I notice there aren't any police around at the moment. I trust that the vast, vast majority of people act similarly. If they didn't, no amount of law enforcement would be enough.

XorNot5mo ago

> I don't threaten people on the sidewalk and take their money when I notice there aren't any police around at the moment.

What do you think happens to people who do that though?

You keep telling me what you don't do and how it proves you're implicitly non violent but you can't even imagine framing that response in terms that don't include representatives of the state's monopoly on violence being within arms reach.

Implying violence is never necessary while repeatedly describing not doing violence even if the state's violence distributing apparatus isn't currently present rather undermines the case.

zahlmanOP5mo ago

> but you can't even imagine framing that response in terms that don't include representatives of the state's monopoly on violence being within arms reach.

This is not an accurate representation of GP:

> I don't stand in the checkout line trying to figure out how to run out without paying.... I trust that the vast, vast majority of people act similarly. If they didn't, no amount of law enforcement would be enough.

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direwolf205mo ago

Why don't you? It's because violence will happen to you if you do. Nonviolence, backed by threats of violence.

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6 comments · 1 top-level

XorNot5mo ago· 5 in thread

If you break the law, what happens to you? What does the state do to you?

Like say you persistently just refuse to pay a parking ticket after court orders to do so?

zahlmanOP5mo ago

I understand that. It is not relevant, and does not establish your original point.

wrs5mo ago

XorNot5mo ago

> I don't threaten people on the sidewalk and take their money when I notice there aren't any police around at the moment.

What do you think happens to people who do that though?

Implying violence is never necessary while repeatedly describing not doing violence even if the state's violence distributing apparatus isn't currently present rather undermines the case.

zahlmanOP5mo ago

> but you can't even imagine framing that response in terms that don't include representatives of the state's monopoly on violence being within arms reach.

This is not an accurate representation of GP:

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direwolf205mo ago

Why don't you? It's because violence will happen to you if you do. Nonviolence, backed by threats of violence.

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