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0 pointsmixmastamyk5mo ago0 comments

As mentioned covid changed everything, so please stop pulling figures from that once in a lifetime event.

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teh645mo ago· 3 in thread

I have looked at 2018-2016, where the expenses are almost completely the main pycon and more local pycons. Also sponserships like "Pallets group, which maintains projects such as Flask and Jinja" (2018). Everything other than the main pycon is less than 1 million dollars combined in expenses.

I feel it is important to look at the facts, not just vibes.

nedbat5mo ago

> Also sponserships like "Pallets group ...

Those are "fiscal sponsorships" meaning the PSF holds money for other organizations. The PSF is not funding Pallets (or Boston Python or North Bay Python, etc, etc). They accept money earmarked for those organizations and provide administrative support. Details: https://www.python.org/psf/fiscal-sponsorees/

teh645mo ago

Thanks for the correction!

mixmastamykOP5mo ago

A portion of pycon expenses are spent on outreach and teaching during the event. Arguably all of pycon is outreach. There are dedicated grants, aid, support as well. The 2019 PDF breakdown doesn't seem to be available any longer.

During the 2010s, the packaging group was begging for help. "We're only volunteers," a common refrain: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46605018

During the 2020s, funding for packaging was provided by Mozilla and Chan-Zuck, as PSF wasn't doing enough. https://www.python.org/psf/annual-report/2019/

As we all know, Astral stepped in and solved the problem for them. I moved to their tools as soon as was possible. And not simply because they were fast, but because they work.

For example, here's one that pypa broke for my package a couple of years ago in pip, and never fixed: https://github.com/pypa/packaging/issues/774

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