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0 pointstempodox2mo ago0 comments

The gov’t can force them to reveal any user’s data and slap them with a gag order so no one will ever know this happened.

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MontyCarloHall2mo ago

All user data is E2E encrypted, so the government literally cannot force this. This has been the source of numerous disputes [0, 1] that either result in the device itself being cracked [0] (due to weak passwords or vulnerabilities in device-level protection) or governments attempting to ban E2E encryption altogether [1].

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple%E2%80%93FBI_encryption_d...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_Wars

mmh00002mo ago

Maybe E2E, but the data eventually has to be decrypted to read it.

Then you learn that every modern CPU has a built-in backdoor, a dedicated processor core, running a closed-source operating system, with direct access to the entire system RAM, and network access. [a][b][c][d].

You can not trust any modern hardware.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Management_Engine

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_Platform_Security_Processo...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture_family#Securi...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_and_privacy_of_iOS

dmitrygr2mo ago

Some of those things are not like the others. TrustZone is not a dedicated core. It is a mode of the CPU, akin to x86's SMM

greentea232mo ago

What you cited is for data on a device that was turned off. Not daily internet connected usage. No one is saying you have no protection at all with Apple, it is just very limited compared to what it should be by modern security best practices, and much worse than what can be achieved on android and linux.

nozzlegear2mo ago

> much worse than what can be achieved on android and linux.

* Certain types of Android

natch2mo ago

E2E encrypted is nothing if key escrow is happening.

Why did they change their wording from:

Nobody can read your data, not even Apple

to:

Apple cannot read your data.

You know why.

ajam15072mo ago

When did they change their wording?

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nozzlegear2mo ago

If they didn't want you to think key escrow might be possible, why wouldn't they just leave the wording the way it was? Why go through the effort and thereby draw attention to it? The court system doesn't use sovcit rules where playful interpretation of wording can get a trillion dollar corporation out of a lawsuit or whatever.

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