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0 pointsaebtebeten2mo ago0 comments

For a different professor, there's Dr. Bob Altemeyer, who wrote a book in 2006 (after 40 years of research) that includes a section on evidence-based deradicalisation[0] of authoritarian followers, pp240-245: https://theauthoritarians.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/The... (for objections, see [1])

That's nonfiction, and anachronistic. As far as fiction in the correct setting goes, I'm drawing a blank, and I even had to read things like "At the Bridge" and "The Tin Drum" in school (as well as watch dokus like "The White Rose" and "Triumph of the Will"[2]).

Most stories I know are of the unrepentant[3]; maybe I can dig some repentant ones up later?

[0] dereactionalisation?

[1] some discussion at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24786278

[2] if I am overly paranoid, maybe it's because it's difficult to see anyone's GOAT propaganda these days and not compare it with Riefenstahl; she made the https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TropeCodifier ?

[3] including, but not limited to:

Oberleutnant (as he was then) "Kongo" Müller https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siegfried_Müller_(mercenary) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGAUW1ZF2xI

Generalmajor Reinhard Gehlen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinhard_Gehlen#Gehlen_Organiz... https://www.deutschlandfunk.de/bnd-bundesnachrichtendienst-n...

SS-Sturmbannführer Wernher Magnus Maximilian Freiherr von Braun https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wernher_von_Braun#American_car... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zcU85O82XE ("doctor were-ner von brawn")

(see also https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38759207, and elsewhere on HN, for wholesale vs retail sellers)

lagniappe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEJ9HrZq7Ro

  You too may be a big hero
  Once you've learned to count backwards to zero
  "In German, und Englisch, I know how to count down
  Und 我学习中文!" says Wernher von Braun

EDIT: (haven't been using that Gemini, sorry)

Schwarzenegger's neighbours retreated into the bottle[4]:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_P-0I6sAck

[4] https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/85221-atticus-said-naming-p...

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gsf_emergency_62mo ago

Ps: Repentance is one of the things that sell better as science fiction.. (Linebarger?)

Not to be dismissive, just "providing" another perspective while I take a walk to think about that:

In the other bidirection..

If Steve and Ive grokked each others' Jobs..

(You could complete the couplet but I may or may not recommend it)

Edit: Atticus would have been more convincing (to me) if he was more ex-Confederate officer and less Mary Sue

Ps2: deprogramming (ie something that could be applied to Scott Locklin.. I have read his Optiksy takes while thinking about his quasiracist ones.. & tentatively conclude that the Buxton [e: dissonance] angle^W ansatz is in the realm of.. plausibility)

Ps3: there's the Peenemuende slave Labor museum^W monument. Compare German (P/Tin Drum) and Japanese (??? sporadic priests^W Buddhist chaplains I guess) tatemae?

"L": https://archive.ph/dtf2U

Ps4: maybe one could leave it up to American initiative/dynamism* to uncover more of these living [prep]aradoxes.. I highly doubt it could scale (even after defocusing from ORs)

*https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46000060

gsf_emergency_62mo ago

U: not chaplain-trainee in question but a sizeable pctage of the paradoxes do seem to come from the upper middle/lower upper (more than directly explicated by Linebarger)

Not: Magpie* regurgitation of mixed Confucianist/Supply side precepts

https://youtu.be/bJ_lfBmlScs?t=3m11s

"皈依者狂热" in the comments

https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%9A%88%E4%BE%9D

(GoogAI is currently serving a different origin from https://baike.baidu.com/item/%E9%BB%84%E9%9B%80%E5%9C%A8%E5%...

Is this Confucianist Propaganda :)

aebtebetenOP2mo ago

I was actually surprised that baike.baidu gives pretty much the same story for the CR as en.wikipedia.

The chengyu pretty much summarises what is called "2nd intention" in fencing.

I guess if foxes know they're getting extracted no matter what happens, 狐假虎威 ?

Re: 皈依者狂热 I was surprised to find there actually was a joke:

"Q. What did capitalism accomplish in one year that communism could not do in seventy years?"

because I had figured that it took 70 years of communism for the people to decide the capitalists had been right about communism, and 10 years of capitalism for the people to decide the communists had been right about capitalism, so now they're trying feudalism...

Re: 斩杀线, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_e2igZexpMs

Re: Atticus, arguably he's allowed to be, because we see him through Scout's eyes? (there is a fan theory that the family characters in Big Bang Theory and Young Sheldon are exactly the same, only in BBT we see them as Sheldon perceives them, and in YS we see them as they perceive themselves?)

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Most stories I know are of the unrepentant[3]; maybe I can dig some repentant ones up later?

[0] dereactionalisation?

[1] some discussion at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24786278

[3] including, but not limited to:

Oberleutnant (as he was then) "Kongo" Müller https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siegfried_Müller_(mercenary) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGAUW1ZF2xI

Generalmajor Reinhard Gehlen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinhard_Gehlen#Gehlen_Organiz... https://www.deutschlandfunk.de/bnd-bundesnachrichtendienst-n...

(see also https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38759207, and elsewhere on HN, for wholesale vs retail sellers)

lagniappe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEJ9HrZq7Ro

  You too may be a big hero
  Once you've learned to count backwards to zero
  "In German, und Englisch, I know how to count down
  Und 我学习中文!" says Wernher von Braun

EDIT: (haven't been using that Gemini, sorry)

Schwarzenegger's neighbours retreated into the bottle[4]:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_P-0I6sAck

[4] https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/85221-atticus-said-naming-p...

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gsf_emergency_62mo ago

Ps: Repentance is one of the things that sell better as science fiction.. (Linebarger?)

Not to be dismissive, just "providing" another perspective while I take a walk to think about that:

In the other bidirection..

If Steve and Ive grokked each others' Jobs..

(You could complete the couplet but I may or may not recommend it)

Edit: Atticus would have been more convincing (to me) if he was more ex-Confederate officer and less Mary Sue

Ps3: there's the Peenemuende slave Labor museum^W monument. Compare German (P/Tin Drum) and Japanese (??? sporadic priests^W Buddhist chaplains I guess) tatemae?

"L": https://archive.ph/dtf2U

Ps4: maybe one could leave it up to American initiative/dynamism* to uncover more of these living [prep]aradoxes.. I highly doubt it could scale (even after defocusing from ORs)

*https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46000060

gsf_emergency_62mo ago

U: not chaplain-trainee in question but a sizeable pctage of the paradoxes do seem to come from the upper middle/lower upper (more than directly explicated by Linebarger)

Not: Magpie* regurgitation of mixed Confucianist/Supply side precepts

https://youtu.be/bJ_lfBmlScs?t=3m11s

"皈依者狂热" in the comments

https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%9A%88%E4%BE%9D

(GoogAI is currently serving a different origin from https://baike.baidu.com/item/%E9%BB%84%E9%9B%80%E5%9C%A8%E5%...

Is this Confucianist Propaganda :)

aebtebetenOP2mo ago

I was actually surprised that baike.baidu gives pretty much the same story for the CR as en.wikipedia.

The chengyu pretty much summarises what is called "2nd intention" in fencing.

I guess if foxes know they're getting extracted no matter what happens, 狐假虎威 ?

Re: 皈依者狂热 I was surprised to find there actually was a joke:

"Q. What did capitalism accomplish in one year that communism could not do in seventy years?"

Re: 斩杀线, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_e2igZexpMs

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