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0 pointsSR2Z2mo ago0 comments

Once upon a time, the SAT an IQ test, and it was a real achievement to score a 1600. That achievement has been hollowed out in tandem with the value of most college degrees.

We know how to test for merit. The greatest tragedy in this college admissions racket isn't the shadowy affirmative action policies, the mountains of student loan debt, or the entire college admission-industrial complex that's sprung up.

It's that even the tools we've used to use to measure if someone was _ready_ for college have been annihilated.

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JumpCrisscross2mo ago

> the SAT an IQ test

You’re thinking of a 2004 study that found “the SAT (and later, with Koenig, the ACT) was substantially correlated with measures of general cognitive ability and could be used as a proxy measure for intelligence” [1]. To my knowledge, this remains the case.

[1] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6963451/

losvedir2mo ago

Time pressure is a crucial aspect of it, though. I think GP may be alluding to the alleged abuse of disability exceptions, allowing kids (who don't need it) to take longer.

hackyhacky2mo ago

The SAT was never an IQ test, and it certainly doesn't measure "merit", whatever that is. It's a Scholastic Aptitude Test, and it isn't particularly good at that either.

If we had a good "test for merit" then we could directly assign people to their roles and ignore their actual performance.

JumpCrisscross2mo ago

> It's a Scholastic Aptitude Test, and it isn't particularly good at that either

It’s a pretty good measure for how a student will do in their first year in college.

fn-mote2mo ago

So is high school GPA.

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everybodyknows2mo ago

"Aptitude" was dropped from the name back in 1990.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAT#Name_changes

It may have become something of a dirty word ...

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0 pointsSR2Z2mo ago0 comments

Once upon a time, the SAT an IQ test, and it was a real achievement to score a 1600. That achievement has been hollowed out in tandem with the value of most college degrees.

It's that even the tools we've used to use to measure if someone was _ready_ for college have been annihilated.

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JumpCrisscross2mo ago

> the SAT an IQ test

[1] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6963451/

losvedir2mo ago

Time pressure is a crucial aspect of it, though. I think GP may be alluding to the alleged abuse of disability exceptions, allowing kids (who don't need it) to take longer.

hackyhacky2mo ago

The SAT was never an IQ test, and it certainly doesn't measure "merit", whatever that is. It's a Scholastic Aptitude Test, and it isn't particularly good at that either.

If we had a good "test for merit" then we could directly assign people to their roles and ignore their actual performance.

JumpCrisscross2mo ago

> It's a Scholastic Aptitude Test, and it isn't particularly good at that either

It’s a pretty good measure for how a student will do in their first year in college.

fn-mote2mo ago

So is high school GPA.

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everybodyknows2mo ago

"Aptitude" was dropped from the name back in 1990.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAT#Name_changes

It may have become something of a dirty word ...

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse