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0 pointsgivemeethekeys4mo ago0 comments

I bet the number of vegans and vegetarians in the US are also at their highest (and growing).

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That's probably true, but I don't think vegans and vegetarians as a demographic overlap closely with demographics that tend to have heart disease.

(Note that I am neither a vegetarian nor a vegan.)

nradov4mo ago

There may be some correlation but causality is unclear. India has a lot of vegetarians and also a high incidence of heart disease.

woodruffw4mo ago

That might have something more to do with almost one in four people in India being a tobacco user[1]. CDC suggests that one in four CVD deaths (in the US) is caused by tobacco use[2].

[1]: https://globalactiontoendsmoking.org/research/tobacco-around...

[2]: https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/about/cigarettes-and-cardiovascu...

givemeethekeysOP4mo ago

It has more to do with people who are on farming diets but no longer farm.

People in India smoked just as much when they weren't living such sedentary lifestyles.

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givemeethekeysOP4mo ago

Vegans are probably mostly healthy. Vegetarians? Religious vegetarians and healthy vegetarians intersect but mostly don't ;).

sebasv_4mo ago

I remember seeing a paper a while back that found veganism increased your death by ischemic stroke probability threefold.

Because of old age. Being vegan increased your odds threefold to die of old age instead of prematurely from disease.

Apologies for not having a link to the source

recallingmemory4mo ago

This is not accurate. Please link to your source.

A healthy, whole-food plant-based diet is linked to a lower risk of ischemic stroke, with studies showing reduced risk compared to meat-eaters. The conclusion of this paper[1] for example reads that "Lower risk of total stroke was observed by those who adhered to a healthful plant-based diet."

Additionally, researchers at Harvard found that a plant-based diet may lower overall stroke risk by up to 10%. [2]

1: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8166423/

2: https://hsph.harvard.edu/news/healthy-plant-based-diet-assoc...

givemeethekeysOP4mo ago

Hey, do whatever helps you sleep at night. That's what I do. We're all going to the same place - a couple of years here and there won't do much when you're that old anyway.

sonar_un4mo ago

There is a massive amount of research that shows that Vegans are healthier as a population than Vegetarians and definitely meat eaters. Lower risks of nearly every preventable food related illnesses, including cancer. Having this new government health pyramid flies in the face of nearly all current research.

doctorpangloss4mo ago

nothing stops you from reading more about the topics before commenting on them haha

woodruffw4mo ago

I thought that would fall under common sense, but if not:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10479225/

Y_Y4mo ago

But it sure does seem like that sometimes

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woodruffw4mo ago

That's probably true, but I don't think vegans and vegetarians as a demographic overlap closely with demographics that tend to have heart disease.

(Note that I am neither a vegetarian nor a vegan.)

nradov4mo ago

There may be some correlation but causality is unclear. India has a lot of vegetarians and also a high incidence of heart disease.

woodruffw4mo ago

That might have something more to do with almost one in four people in India being a tobacco user[1]. CDC suggests that one in four CVD deaths (in the US) is caused by tobacco use[2].

[1]: https://globalactiontoendsmoking.org/research/tobacco-around...

[2]: https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/about/cigarettes-and-cardiovascu...

givemeethekeysOP4mo ago

It has more to do with people who are on farming diets but no longer farm.

People in India smoked just as much when they weren't living such sedentary lifestyles.

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givemeethekeysOP4mo ago

Vegans are probably mostly healthy. Vegetarians? Religious vegetarians and healthy vegetarians intersect but mostly don't ;).

sebasv_4mo ago

I remember seeing a paper a while back that found veganism increased your death by ischemic stroke probability threefold.

Because of old age. Being vegan increased your odds threefold to die of old age instead of prematurely from disease.

Apologies for not having a link to the source

recallingmemory4mo ago

This is not accurate. Please link to your source.

Additionally, researchers at Harvard found that a plant-based diet may lower overall stroke risk by up to 10%. [2]

1: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8166423/

2: https://hsph.harvard.edu/news/healthy-plant-based-diet-assoc...

givemeethekeysOP4mo ago

Hey, do whatever helps you sleep at night. That's what I do. We're all going to the same place - a couple of years here and there won't do much when you're that old anyway.

sonar_un4mo ago

doctorpangloss4mo ago

nothing stops you from reading more about the topics before commenting on them haha

woodruffw4mo ago

I thought that would fall under common sense, but if not:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10479225/

Y_Y4mo ago

But it sure does seem like that sometimes

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