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0 pointsajross2mo ago0 comments

> cost cutting on Lunar Lake

It's... the launch vehicle for a new process. Literally the opposite of "cost cutting", they went through the trouble of tooling up a whole fab over multiple years to do this.

Will 18A beat TSMC and save the company? We don't know. But they put down a huge bet that it would, and this is the hand that got dealt. It's important, not something to be dismissed.

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hnuser1234562mo ago

Lunar Lake integrated DRAM on the package, which was faster and more power efficient, this reverts that. They also replaced part of the chip from being sourced from TSMC to from themselves. And if their foundry is competitive, they should be shaking other foundry customers down the way TSMC is.

If they have actually mostly caught up to TSMC, props, but also, I wish they hadn't given up on EUV for so long. Instead they decided to ship chips overclocked so high they burn out in months.

ac292mo ago

> Lunar Lake integrated DRAM on the package, which was faster and more power efficient, this reverts that.

On package memory is slightly more power efficient but it isnt any faster, it still uses industry standard LPDDR. And Panther Lake supports faster LPDDR than Lunar Lake, so its definitely not a regression.

ajrossOP2mo ago

I don't see how any of that substantiates "Panther Lake and 18A are just cost cutting efforts vs. Lunar Lake". It mostly just sounds like another boring platform flame.

hnuser1234562mo ago

I'll let Intel speak for themselves here:

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/lunar-lakes-...

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0 pointsajross2mo ago0 comments

> cost cutting on Lunar Lake

It's... the launch vehicle for a new process. Literally the opposite of "cost cutting", they went through the trouble of tooling up a whole fab over multiple years to do this.

Will 18A beat TSMC and save the company? We don't know. But they put down a huge bet that it would, and this is the hand that got dealt. It's important, not something to be dismissed.

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hnuser1234562mo ago

If they have actually mostly caught up to TSMC, props, but also, I wish they hadn't given up on EUV for so long. Instead they decided to ship chips overclocked so high they burn out in months.

ac292mo ago

> Lunar Lake integrated DRAM on the package, which was faster and more power efficient, this reverts that.

ajrossOP2mo ago

I don't see how any of that substantiates "Panther Lake and 18A are just cost cutting efforts vs. Lunar Lake". It mostly just sounds like another boring platform flame.

hnuser1234562mo ago

I'll let Intel speak for themselves here:

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/lunar-lakes-...

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