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0 pointsbeaker522mo ago0 comments

Only it’s a bit like me getting back into cooking because I described the dish I want to a trainee cook.

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Depends on how you're using the LLMs. It can also be like having someone else around to chop the onions, wash the pans and find the ingredients when you need them.

CuriouslyC2mo ago

The head chefs at most restaurants delegate the majority of details of dishes to their kitchen staff, then critique and refine.

peteforde2mo ago

This approach seems to have worked out for both Warhol and Chihuly.

elliotbnvl2mo ago

As long as you get the dish you want when before you couldn’t have it — who cares?

beaker52OP2mo ago

Sure, as long as you don’t expect me to digest it, live with it, and crap it out for you, I see no problem with it.

elliotbnvl2mo ago

My expectations don’t change whether or not I’m using AI, and neither do my standards.

Whether or not you use my software is up to you.

peteforde2mo ago

So you're saying that if you go to any famous restaurant and the famous face of the restaurant isn't personally preparing your dinner with their hands and singular attention, you are disappointed.

Got it.

esafak2mo ago

Are you even cooking if you did not collect your own ingredients and forge your own tools??

maplethorpe2mo ago

Isn't that still considered cooking? If I describe the dish I want, and someone else makes it for me, I was still the catalyst for that dish. It would not have existed without me. So yes, I did cook it.

beaker52OP2mo ago

Work harder!

Now I’m a life coach because I’m responsible for your promotion.

maplethorpe2mo ago

Ok, maybe my analogy wasn't the best. But the point I was trying to make is that using AI tools to write code doesn't meant you didn't write the code.

hackable_sand2mo ago

Very apt analogy. I'm still waiting for my paycheck.

krapp2mo ago

> If I describe the dish I want, and someone else makes it for me, I was still the catalyst for that dish. It would not have existed without me. So yes, I did "cook" it.

The person who actually cooked it cooked it. Being the "catalyst" doesn't make you the creator, nor does it mean you get to claim that you did the work.

Otherwise you could say you "cooked a meal" every time you went to MacDonald's.

elliotbnvl2mo ago

Why is the head chef called the head chef, then? He doesn’t “cook”.

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mock-possum2mo ago

I would argue that you technically did not cook it yourself - you are however responsible for having cooked it. You directed the cooking.

9rx2mo ago

Flipping toggle switches went out of fashion many, many, many years ago. We've been describing to trainees (compilers) the dish we want for longer than most on HN have been alive.

beaker52OP2mo ago

Actually, we’ve been formally declaring the logic of programs to compilers, which is something very different.

beaker52OP2mo ago

(Replying to myself because hn)

That’s not the only difference at all. A good use of an LLM might be to ask it what the difference between using an LLM and writing code for a compiler is.

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9rx2mo ago

The only difference is that newer languages have figured out how to remove a lot of the boilerplate.

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simonw2mo ago

Depends on how you're using the LLMs. It can also be like having someone else around to chop the onions, wash the pans and find the ingredients when you need them.

CuriouslyC2mo ago

The head chefs at most restaurants delegate the majority of details of dishes to their kitchen staff, then critique and refine.

peteforde2mo ago

This approach seems to have worked out for both Warhol and Chihuly.

elliotbnvl2mo ago

As long as you get the dish you want when before you couldn’t have it — who cares?

beaker52OP2mo ago

Sure, as long as you don’t expect me to digest it, live with it, and crap it out for you, I see no problem with it.

elliotbnvl2mo ago

My expectations don’t change whether or not I’m using AI, and neither do my standards.

Whether or not you use my software is up to you.

peteforde2mo ago

So you're saying that if you go to any famous restaurant and the famous face of the restaurant isn't personally preparing your dinner with their hands and singular attention, you are disappointed.

Got it.

esafak2mo ago

Are you even cooking if you did not collect your own ingredients and forge your own tools??

maplethorpe2mo ago

beaker52OP2mo ago

Work harder!

Now I’m a life coach because I’m responsible for your promotion.

maplethorpe2mo ago

Ok, maybe my analogy wasn't the best. But the point I was trying to make is that using AI tools to write code doesn't meant you didn't write the code.

hackable_sand2mo ago

Very apt analogy. I'm still waiting for my paycheck.

krapp2mo ago

> If I describe the dish I want, and someone else makes it for me, I was still the catalyst for that dish. It would not have existed without me. So yes, I did "cook" it.

The person who actually cooked it cooked it. Being the "catalyst" doesn't make you the creator, nor does it mean you get to claim that you did the work.

Otherwise you could say you "cooked a meal" every time you went to MacDonald's.

elliotbnvl2mo ago

Why is the head chef called the head chef, then? He doesn’t “cook”.

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mock-possum2mo ago

I would argue that you technically did not cook it yourself - you are however responsible for having cooked it. You directed the cooking.

9rx2mo ago

Flipping toggle switches went out of fashion many, many, many years ago. We've been describing to trainees (compilers) the dish we want for longer than most on HN have been alive.

beaker52OP2mo ago

Actually, we’ve been formally declaring the logic of programs to compilers, which is something very different.

beaker52OP2mo ago

(Replying to myself because hn)

That’s not the only difference at all. A good use of an LLM might be to ask it what the difference between using an LLM and writing code for a compiler is.

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9rx2mo ago

The only difference is that newer languages have figured out how to remove a lot of the boilerplate.

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