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0 pointsestearum2mo ago0 comments

Sure it's conceivable. Can you go a level deeper on your analysis?

Are you suggesting that cutting off oil flow to those nations will be advantageous to us? Is this like... tomorrow? During a potential armed conflict? When?

By what specific mechanism does the US assert "control" over the oil? POTUS just now said it's via a ground occupation "until transition of power." What's the transition plan?

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mupuff12342mo ago

Not cutting off, but it's enough that the US increases oil supply which lowers the prices to significantly hurt Russia and Iran. And then you have China which is the main consumer of Venezuelan oil so you get another point of leverage.

Also probably helps to ensure the petro dollar is here to stay for longer.

Obviously this is a very shallow analysis, and there's definitely significant risks, but I do think it's obvious that it has large potential upsides.

estearumOP2mo ago

Well... POTUS just said that the plan is to sell large amounts of Venezuelan oil to China and Russia.

So again: conceivably sure, but the details matter. The details we have right now do not look very promising IMO.

jacquesm2mo ago

It's not shallow, it is gullible. Of course Trump has an angle otherwise he wouldn't have done this. We can speculate about what the angle is but there is absolutely no way that he did this for the good of the Venezuelan population.

Edit: So, that took only 8 minutes, the other shoe just dropped, it was about the oil after all. Where do I collect my check?

mupuff12342mo ago

Oh yeah, I'm certain the intent behind this wasn't for the sake of the Venezuelan population, but that in itself doesn't mean it won't result in a better outcome for the population (but also not saying that it will)

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Loudergood2mo ago

In the short term this will likely decrease oil supply and drive up oil revenue for Russia.

mupuff12342mo ago

Venezuela supplies less than 1% of the world's oil, basically meaningless.

qcnguy2mo ago

China is heavily dependent on oil imports and a big part of Germany's defeat in WW2 was due to difficulties obtaining oil. This move may - if successful - change the calculation over Taiwan

estearumOP2mo ago

POTUS said his plan is to sell vast amounts of Venezuelan oil to China and Russia.

So what you say may happen, but not if "it" (being the plan stated by the orchestrator and executor of said move) is successful.

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mupuff12342mo ago

Also probably helps to ensure the petro dollar is here to stay for longer.

Obviously this is a very shallow analysis, and there's definitely significant risks, but I do think it's obvious that it has large potential upsides.

estearumOP2mo ago

Well... POTUS just said that the plan is to sell large amounts of Venezuelan oil to China and Russia.

So again: conceivably sure, but the details matter. The details we have right now do not look very promising IMO.

jacquesm2mo ago

Edit: So, that took only 8 minutes, the other shoe just dropped, it was about the oil after all. Where do I collect my check?

mupuff12342mo ago

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Loudergood2mo ago

In the short term this will likely decrease oil supply and drive up oil revenue for Russia.

mupuff12342mo ago

Venezuela supplies less than 1% of the world's oil, basically meaningless.

qcnguy2mo ago

China is heavily dependent on oil imports and a big part of Germany's defeat in WW2 was due to difficulties obtaining oil. This move may - if successful - change the calculation over Taiwan

estearumOP2mo ago

POTUS said his plan is to sell vast amounts of Venezuelan oil to China and Russia.

So what you say may happen, but not if "it" (being the plan stated by the orchestrator and executor of said move) is successful.

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