and it's the first step back, which I love (and miss),
BUT
there has been 0, zero, niente, nada, rien proper discussion in the EU on WHY UK left!
All UK reasons have been blamed as stupid (which is understandable due to mouth like N. Fartage), while many are not, so need to be discussed, faced, dig! and please don't talk again about immigration: this is already discussed even too much: stop talking about this could be the very first step to do what I mean. EU in Brussel: you do not want to do it? and you'll be kicked in the butt: face reality, face real problems we have withing EU which UK listed clearly: maybe they will really be marked as irrelevant but we need to talk about it.
My very personal opinion is bureaucracy, fat bureaucracy, damned bureaucracy, expensive bureaucracy: believing you can have a better world by regulations IS stupid, and so on... the whole idea of an elite who is elite 'cause is using it's brain, while out there other need to be forced 'cause they are no (so should just obey and not use their brain) is stupid.
E.g. In the UK there is no ID card, you can live your whole life with no ID of any sort: yes, you need an ID (the passport) to go outside indeed: your address is stated by your electricity bill, or bank account address, and that is more that enough ... and it works! This while in other EU countries (much less civilized I would add), police can force you to a police station if you do not have the national ID in your pocket... and, beside this, this ID even expire (!)
Ask AI for: "countries in EU where you can be arrested if you do not have the national ID with you"
Did the 'sacrifice' of many UK citizen who left meant something? did EU learn something from it different than: 'you'll see what you've lost, you'r gonna cry!'
grrrr
> E.g. In the UK there is no ID card, you can live your whole life with no ID of any sort: yes, you need an ID (the passport) to go outside indeed: your address is stated by your electricity bill, or bank account address, and that is more that enough ... and it works! This while in other EU countries (much less civilized I would add), police can force you to a police station if you do not have the national ID in your pocket... and, beside this, this ID even expire (!)
These sound like aesthetic arguments, and you can make those decisions as a nation whether you're in the EU or not.
https://www.msn.com/en-ph/news/other/nathan-gill-s-sentencin...
"Nathan Gill, a former Mormon bishop and father of seven who was an MEP for UKIP and The Brexit Party between 2014 and 2020, pleaded guilty to taking bribes in exchange for Russia-friendly parliamentary interventions during his time in office."
"sentenced to 10 and a half years in prison by a London court as part of a bribery case that has raised questions about how pro-Russian influence networks have targeted MEPs."
> there has been 0, zero, niente, nada, rien proper discussion in the EU on WHY UK left!
There has been no discussion because the reason for UK leaving was stupid.
It was based on an election manifesto pledge by the Conservative Party. A party propped up by a declining population of boomers who think life was better in the 50s.
The whole Brexit campaign was dominated by loud voices from the lunatics in the right-hand corner of the Conservative Party, and propped up by Mr Farage.
It means that idiots like farmers and fishermen voted for Brexit even though it would kill their export markets overnight, and remove their ability for skilled Eastern European seasonal workers to come pick their fruit.
> In the UK there is no ID card,
The whole "there is no papers please" in the UK is a total load of bullshit often mentioned by the pro-Brexit brigade.
For example, you say "your address is stated by bank account address". When was the last time you tried to open a bank account in the UK WITHOUT photographic ID ? In theory you can, but in practice its almost certainly going to be more interesting to hit your head against a brick wall.
You also say " in other EU countries (much less civilized I would add), police can force you to a police station if you do not have the national ID in your pocket"....
Well, actually in the UK the police can ask for your name and address. And if they think you are not giving them the correct name and address (or you refuse to identify yourself), they can arrest you until such time as you can prove your ID.
It is the same if the police stop you for a driving offence. You are required to produce (a) Driving license (b) Insurance (c) MOT. Insurance and MOT can be verified electronically these days. But if you cannot produce your driving license at the scene then you will be required to present at a police station within seven days.
Denmark has no ID card for example. It might be the only one in the EU but it's not a problem. Noone is expected to to produce a proof of person on the spot to police here
I'm just trying to understand whether you're informed or just repeating things you heard which sound good.
A quick search returned me figures of costs compared to population 'served', in which the EU is relatively lean compared to other national bureaucracy (first of all its huge cost in France!), but these figures are not comparable due to huge differences in duties...
For example I would suggest as an indicator: the cost in investment in EU to create a job
but yes, no doubt I personally I think any money invested in huge institutions to which people delegate power is a waste not just in money but in people ability to live better: as I wrote the 'regulation' approach I don't like: of course I like when (for example in protecting privacy) EU is able to face big multinational corporations, but I would prefer much more investments in citizens awareness about ...privacy, for example, to stay on that subject.
I personally think EU approach is: people are stupid (and, even worse, are allowed to be stupid, or up to: people have the right to be stupid) and our duty is to protect them by regulations and laws! (and often this aim justify any mean)
I do not want to grow up in a family where my parents have this approach.
and politicians love to subsidise because students will be forever grateful because they got to travel and party for free
absurd EU!
As for the "free" I imagine you mean: at no costs so I would just add this to the obvious:
* changing country, language, house, friends, food, etc can be fun but it requires a LOT of energy and efforts: it is an investment for yourself but with great returns for society that is (partially) covering your costs
* a student with erasmus experience is a different human being: more conscious, more able to face bureaucracy, more able to get information, more autonomous, less prone to need public funds for his professional and personal life
* any student who experience erasmus have to face being accepted as a foreigner, as somebody different, with many many prejudices ... it is not an easy experience, but it makes you more empathic on all foreigners or different humans you will meet in your life.
Traveling and living abroad is the best defense against people being used as cannon meat in wars
"politicians love to subsidies because students will be forever grateful"
what is wrong with this? what is wrong with politicians doing to citizens what makes them "to be forever grateful" ? I don't get it, do you prefer the opposite?
you correctly used "forever", and if it is a "forever" it means you have not been fooled by a politician, for a short term benefit (like receiving money).... so isn't good?
Once again your answer takes me to the concept of consciousness, meaning to know who is the cause of your problems: don't take it too personal (it applies to me, too, soooo often), but if you feel somebody else is having fun traveling and partying at EU costs, instead of asking to stop it, why don't you pretend to be in it?
I mean, even if we are not young anymore to join student parties in a cool EU dorm, can't EU money being invested in helping adults traveling and working in Europe? and having fun? and enjoy life? why not?
Lol. Informed citizens with a broadened horizon would only pose a challenge to a small-party sized class of people. Conservatives love to create smokescreens and false narratives, but factually the meaning Conservative stems from the wish to conserve the power of the 0.0001%. That's why they never can come up with anything like a real agenda for you know, the res publica. Instead they have to resort to bullshit and falsehoods in order to trick people to vote on all kinds of interesting vibes and hurt feelings, but that have nothing to do with the damn fucking job of governing.
