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0 pointsalephnerd3mo ago0 comments

> Belgium can be convinced potentially

They cannot. The Belgian government has categorically rejected expropriation 3 days ago because the ECB rejected providing any funding, and Euroclear has announced it will fight the EU in Belgian court if any steps are taken to do so [2] with Belgian govenenent backing [4], so those funds would anyhow be frozen for years.

You aren't even reading any of my citations.

> Orban would be heading to prison next year, so Hungary wouldn't be vetoing Eurobonds

We still have Slovakia [3].

> What ultimatum? To drop DSA? Source

Over other regulations like CBAM [0]. The same way the US is playing hard ball over the DSA, China+India are playing hard ball over CBAM.

> Leonardo is Italian with significant presence in the UK

Yep, and as a result needs to continue to follow UK specific regulations and export controls [1], but being a single overarching conglomerate makes it significantly easier to manage the GCAP project, versus FCAS which became a Renault-Airbus spat which turned into a France-Germany spat.

> but pretending that the second US cuts supplies Ukraine has to surrender is disingenuous.

EU leadership has admitted this fact [5] and even best case projections [6] show it is a Herculean task in the next 1 year.

[0] - https://asia.nikkei.com/economy/trade/india-and-china-make-t...

[1] - https://www.leonardo.com/en/suppliers/supplier-portal/helico...

[2] - https://www.lemonde.fr/en/economy/article/2025/11/15/eurocle...

[3] - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-11-08/slovakia-...

[4] - https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2025/12/06/b...

[5] - https://www.politico.com/news/2025/09/25/kaja-kallas-intervi...

[6] - https://www.bruegel.org/analysis/defending-europe-without-us...

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sofixa3mo ago

> Yep, and as a result needs to continue to follow UK specific regulations and export controls [1], but being a single overarching conglomerate makes it significantly easier to manage the GCAP project, versus FCAS which became a Renault-Airbus spat which turned into a France-Germany spat.

I have a hard time with you, you sound extremely confident in your opinions, provide sources and everything, and then make massive errors like saying no European common military projects work (after having been given a list of the big hits), confuse what Leonardo is and who is working on GCAP, and now you're confusing Renault (a car manufacturer that used to make planes a century ago, and that has recently said they'll look into making drones from underused factories) and Dassault Aviation.

To top it off, you cite sources that don't support your claims.

> Yep, and as a result needs to continue to follow UK specific regulations and export controls [1],

And cite a source that merely says "Requirement to rate each part number being exported from the UK in accordance with the UK Military Classification List; " (emphasis mine).

> Over other regulations like CBAM [0]. The same way the US is playing hard ball over the DSA, China+India are playing hard ball over CBAM.

"Playing hardball" is not ultimatum. And your source doesn't even support your "hard ball" claim, it says India tried pushing back which was refused by the EU.

alephnerdOP3mo ago

> To top it off, you cite sources that don't support your claims.

I may have made 1 mistake in that citation, but you have clearly not read the other. And you clearly aren't citing anything

> I have a hard time with you

The feeling is mutual.

Answer my questions of how or it's just whataboutism.

sofixa3mo ago

How what? How the EU will support Ukraine? The same way it currently has, and if things get dire, there will be more pressure to get alternative revenue streams (like convincing Belgium).

Or how there have been no ultimatums, and how EU legislations aren't negotiating tactics?

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0 pointsalephnerd3mo ago0 comments

> Belgium can be convinced potentially

You aren't even reading any of my citations.

> Orban would be heading to prison next year, so Hungary wouldn't be vetoing Eurobonds

We still have Slovakia [3].

> What ultimatum? To drop DSA? Source

Over other regulations like CBAM [0]. The same way the US is playing hard ball over the DSA, China+India are playing hard ball over CBAM.

> Leonardo is Italian with significant presence in the UK

> but pretending that the second US cuts supplies Ukraine has to surrender is disingenuous.

EU leadership has admitted this fact [5] and even best case projections [6] show it is a Herculean task in the next 1 year.

[0] - https://asia.nikkei.com/economy/trade/india-and-china-make-t...

[1] - https://www.leonardo.com/en/suppliers/supplier-portal/helico...

[2] - https://www.lemonde.fr/en/economy/article/2025/11/15/eurocle...

[3] - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-11-08/slovakia-...

[4] - https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2025/12/06/b...

[5] - https://www.politico.com/news/2025/09/25/kaja-kallas-intervi...

[6] - https://www.bruegel.org/analysis/defending-europe-without-us...

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sofixa3mo ago

To top it off, you cite sources that don't support your claims.

> Yep, and as a result needs to continue to follow UK specific regulations and export controls [1],

And cite a source that merely says "Requirement to rate each part number being exported from the UK in accordance with the UK Military Classification List; " (emphasis mine).

> Over other regulations like CBAM [0]. The same way the US is playing hard ball over the DSA, China+India are playing hard ball over CBAM.

"Playing hardball" is not ultimatum. And your source doesn't even support your "hard ball" claim, it says India tried pushing back which was refused by the EU.

alephnerdOP3mo ago

> To top it off, you cite sources that don't support your claims.

I may have made 1 mistake in that citation, but you have clearly not read the other. And you clearly aren't citing anything

> I have a hard time with you

The feeling is mutual.

Answer my questions of how or it's just whataboutism.

sofixa3mo ago

How what? How the EU will support Ukraine? The same way it currently has, and if things get dire, there will be more pressure to get alternative revenue streams (like convincing Belgium).

Or how there have been no ultimatums, and how EU legislations aren't negotiating tactics?

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