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0 pointsgametorch5mo ago0 comments

> HyperCore includes fully onchain perpetual futures and spot order books. Every order, cancel, trade, and liquidation happens transparently with one-block finality inherited from HyperBFT. HyperCore currently supports 200k orders / second, with throughput constantly improving as the node software is further optimized.

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> fully onchain perpetual futures and spot order books

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Saline95155mo ago

Being on a blockchain and being decentralized are two different things. The HyperCore client isn't even open source.

gametorchOP5mo ago

That's just patently false.

> Importantly, HyperCore does not rely on the crutch of off-chain order books. A core design principle is full decentralization with one consistent order of transactions achieved through HyperBFT consensus.

Saline95155mo ago

The basis of decentralized software is open-source. Otherwise a centralized authority can just push an update to, for instance, blacklist addresses.

https://github.com/hyperliquid-dex/node

"For lowest latency, run the node in Tokyo, Japan."

Decentralization means to run all of the closed-source nodes in the same AWS datacenter!

monokh5mo ago

And in fact they did just this when their vaults started bleeding money on an unfavourable position (JellyJelly). They handed out a closed source binary and the validators ran it immediately, closing out the market at an arbitrary price.

trhway5mo ago

The basis of decentralized software is open protocol. Then it doesn't matter that somebody runs closed source while somebody runs open source.

arccy5mo ago

as an operator you don't even get the real validator / node binary directly, nor can you control which version to run.

all you can do is run their visor, and they push out whatever proprietary blob they produce and restart "your" nodes at their command.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse

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Saline95155mo ago

Being on a blockchain and being decentralized are two different things. The HyperCore client isn't even open source.

gametorchOP5mo ago

That's just patently false.

Saline95155mo ago

The basis of decentralized software is open-source. Otherwise a centralized authority can just push an update to, for instance, blacklist addresses.

https://github.com/hyperliquid-dex/node

"For lowest latency, run the node in Tokyo, Japan."

Decentralization means to run all of the closed-source nodes in the same AWS datacenter!

monokh5mo ago

trhway5mo ago

The basis of decentralized software is open protocol. Then it doesn't matter that somebody runs closed source while somebody runs open source.

arccy5mo ago

as an operator you don't even get the real validator / node binary directly, nor can you control which version to run.

all you can do is run their visor, and they push out whatever proprietary blob they produce and restart "your" nodes at their command.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse