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0 pointsOrangeMusic3mo ago0 comments

This is FUD. Java has many open source implementations and nobody needs to deal with Oracle.

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Even if we postulate that he fear is unwarranted and irrational, the fear is still real, based on Oracles history of lawsuits, and so the explanation still holds.

gf0003mo ago

It explains nothing.

Java is possibly the safest bet on the future, it's open source both in spec and in the most common implementation (OpenJDK), and is so widely used that there are multiple FAANG companies critically dependent on Java working that alone could continue the development of the platform were anything happen.

Besides, Oracle has been a surprisingly good steward of the language.

cwillu3mo ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_LLC_v._Oracle_America,_.... is not what I would call “good stewardship”

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krzyk3mo ago

We could also postulate based on left-pad that npm and javascript in general shouldn't be used.

It has similar bases on facts.

veidr3mo ago

"npm and javascript in general shouldn't be used" — stipulated

thesurlydev3mo ago

Immediately read this as "prostate" and proceeded to spit out my coffee. Carry on

jve3mo ago

Well except Google that got sued for US$8.8 Billion because they decided to use specific API signatures but provide their own implementation...?!

krzyk3mo ago

What Google did was similar what Microsoft did back in the days. Marketing something as Java, but wasn't Java.

pjmlp3mo ago

It incredible how far the "Do not evil" marketing won the hearts of computing nerds, Google only got positive karma for doing with Android exactly what Microsoft did with J++.

To this day Android Java is not fully compatible with Java proper, and Kotlin became Google's version of C#.

OrangeMusicOP3mo ago

Come on, that's a completely different story, Google made their own independent SDK using but incompatible with Java. Nobody's arguing you should do that.

Plus last time I checked Oracle lost that lawsuit.

Hedepig3mo ago

... and Oracle lost

cwillu3mo ago

And the lesson is not to trust Oracle.

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vidarh3mo ago

Even if we postulate that he fear is unwarranted and irrational, the fear is still real, based on Oracles history of lawsuits, and so the explanation still holds.

gf0003mo ago

It explains nothing.

Besides, Oracle has been a surprisingly good steward of the language.

cwillu3mo ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_LLC_v._Oracle_America,_.... is not what I would call “good stewardship”

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krzyk3mo ago

We could also postulate based on left-pad that npm and javascript in general shouldn't be used.

It has similar bases on facts.

veidr3mo ago

"npm and javascript in general shouldn't be used" — stipulated

thesurlydev3mo ago

Immediately read this as "prostate" and proceeded to spit out my coffee. Carry on

jve3mo ago

Well except Google that got sued for US$8.8 Billion because they decided to use specific API signatures but provide their own implementation...?!

krzyk3mo ago

What Google did was similar what Microsoft did back in the days. Marketing something as Java, but wasn't Java.

pjmlp3mo ago

It incredible how far the "Do not evil" marketing won the hearts of computing nerds, Google only got positive karma for doing with Android exactly what Microsoft did with J++.

To this day Android Java is not fully compatible with Java proper, and Kotlin became Google's version of C#.

OrangeMusicOP3mo ago

Come on, that's a completely different story, Google made their own independent SDK using but incompatible with Java. Nobody's arguing you should do that.

Plus last time I checked Oracle lost that lawsuit.

Hedepig3mo ago

... and Oracle lost

cwillu3mo ago

And the lesson is not to trust Oracle.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse