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0 pointsebbi4mo ago0 comments

> Yes, "aggression" that happened on its own, completely unprovoked.

Ahh, propaganda again. You really are a victim of propaganda, or believe history started on Oct 7. Predictable.

> You are seriously justifying rampant murder by terrorists.

I'd say, and most people around the world, that that's what you're doing. I'm recognizing resistance, and calling out crimes where it occurs. I'm not one to tell oppressed people how to be oppressed, how to be the perfect victims. When you oppress people, it's going to backfire at some point in time.

As far as I recall, Hamas has openly called for, and encouraged, third party involvement to investigate any war crimes committed on Oct 7th and to prosecute the perpetrators. Israel? Not so much...

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AnimalMuppet4mo ago

> As far as I recall, Hamas has openly called for, and encouraged, third party involvement to investigate any war crimes committed on Oct 7th and to prosecute the perpetrators.

Sorry, I'm going to need an actual source before I believe that. ("As far as I recall" is not a source.)

ebbiOP4mo ago

Search for Basem Naim (Hamas' political bureau member).

In late 2023 and early 2024, Naim repeatedly said that Hamas was ready to welcome an international inquiry mission into allegations about what Hamas fighters did on October 7.

In a statement responding to a New York Times report on sexual violence on Oct 7, he said Hamas had “on various occasions… welcomed any international inquiry mission to look into any allegations” and contrasted this with Israel allegedly blocking investigations.

And from Anadolu Ajansi: "Urged “a neutral international commission of inquiry” to look into allegations of sexual violations committed by its fighters during the Oct 7 attack"

cyberax4mo ago

> Ahh, propaganda again. You really are a victim of propaganda, or believe history started on Oct 7. Predictable.

Let's look at 2005, then? When Israel forcibly displaced people out of Gaza. That is, Jewish settlers. Giving HAMAS full control over the land.

Or maybe 2011, when Israel exchanged more than a thousand prisoners (convicted through a regular legal process) for Gilad Shalit.

Sorry, but in the case of Gaza it's completely black-and-white. There are really no shades of gray there. HAMAS was given free rein, and they paid back by committing the worst terrorist act in Israel's history. HAMAS did nothing to help their people, using Gazans as puppets, while funneling money to criminals.

And I actually support sanctions against Israel for their West Bank settlers and discriminatory laws that result in the displacement of Palestinians there. Israel is certainly not blameless.

> When you oppress people, it's going to backfire at some point in time.

Who exactly was oppressing Gaza? Except HAMAS, of course.

> As far as I recall, Hamas has openly called for, and encouraged, third party involvement to investigate any war crimes committed on Oct 7th and to prosecute the perpetrators. Israel? Not so much...

Links? I'm _sure_ they must have at least detained some of the estimated 6000 people participating in the raid?

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