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0 pointsjebarker4mo ago0 comments

Also a decent definition of intelligence

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I think for both contexts its far too simplistic to be more than a generalization and certainly for fun its a very local definition to serve Raph's ideas about what constitutes a game rather than encompassing enough to define it fully.

For intelligence for example you could have a PID controller where there is automatic tuning which would fit the definition of learning and application. But I don't think we'd call it intelligent outside of marketing copy.

Raph_Koster4mo ago

No, it's not a very local definition at all, it's actually a generalized definition for all forms of game and entertainment -- and art, even!

You seem to be assuming I have a reductive definition of game, when the definition given in the article is basically "anything people choose to play." See https://www.raphkoster.com/2013/04/16/playing-with-game/ which is linked in there.

I strongly disagree with lumping "intelligence" into the question though, so I am with you on that.

jebarkerOP4mo ago

A PID doesn’t get better at learning and applying predictions. I’d argue that to do that essentially indefinitely requires intelligence.

meheleventyone4mo ago

Hence mentioning a PID controller that has autotuning. Drop it in a new environment and it'll adjust. Drop it in another and it'll reconfigure itself.

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stefs4mo ago

I can get better by getting more experienced without getting more intelligent.

jebarkerOP4mo ago

Why do you think that accumulating experience and applying it to be better isn’t a mark of intelligence?

sph4mo ago

True, but one definition of intelligence is the ability to deal with a novel situation. You can't get more experienced if you're "too stupid" to learn and adapt to the challenge.

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meheleventyone4mo ago

Raph_Koster4mo ago

No, it's not a very local definition at all, it's actually a generalized definition for all forms of game and entertainment -- and art, even!

I strongly disagree with lumping "intelligence" into the question though, so I am with you on that.

jebarkerOP4mo ago

A PID doesn’t get better at learning and applying predictions. I’d argue that to do that essentially indefinitely requires intelligence.

meheleventyone4mo ago

Hence mentioning a PID controller that has autotuning. Drop it in a new environment and it'll adjust. Drop it in another and it'll reconfigure itself.

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stefs4mo ago

I can get better by getting more experienced without getting more intelligent.

jebarkerOP4mo ago

Why do you think that accumulating experience and applying it to be better isn’t a mark of intelligence?

sph4mo ago

True, but one definition of intelligence is the ability to deal with a novel situation. You can't get more experienced if you're "too stupid" to learn and adapt to the challenge.

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