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0 pointsshiandow4mo ago0 comments

I'd be surprised if this isn't already the case. The extent to which you can do business in the EU without legal presence is limited.

It is not a huge amount of protection though. I mean we've already established that selling to 'terrorists' can be sanctioned even when selling through an intermediary. So what's stopping the US from ordering Microsoft to stop selling licenses to the ICC?

And then we've not touched on who is in control of the closed source of the many proprietary applications.

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XorNot4mo ago

It's not about having a subsidiary, it's about the technical structure of 365 meaning Microsoft US has access to Microsoft EU servers and thus US employees can be compelled to follow US court orders.

They simply don't separate the infrastructure this way AFAIK.

whatever14mo ago

Oh I see the point. So MS US has credentials for the infra in EU.

So no reason to deal with any European citizen or court. You just threaten the US IT guy to give you the EU credentials.

hnaccount_rng4mo ago

Yes, and the Cloud Act pretty much forces upper management to ensure that there is always a US IT guy that can be compelled to implement the wishes of The US Federal Government, as the penalties apply to executives of US companies, too.

We can quibble about whether the term "threaten", which implies some moral wrong doing, is correct though. It's a law with defined criminal penalties. That's how criminal law works

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