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0 pointsbigyabai7mo ago0 comments

FWIW, I think you could argue that modern high-yield EULV is a wholly Taiwanese invention. For all of America's DARPA prowess, Intel couldn't even play second-fiddle to TSMC's worst fab nodes.

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SilverElfin7mo ago· 2 in thread

> I think you could argue that modern high-yield EULV is a wholly Taiwanese invention

It is not. EUV was literally invented in America in government funded research, and licensed to ASML. Taiwan (TSMC) purchased ASML machines.

> For all of America's DARPA prowess, Intel couldn't even play second-fiddle to TSMC's worst fab nodes.

These have nothing to do with each other. One is a private corporation that made a strategic mistake. The other is a government agency.

bigyabaiOP7mo ago

> EUV was literally invented in America

Modern, high-yield EULV was not. The CRADA efforts did not produce high-yield dies, nor did it get beyond theorizing modern nodes.

> These have nothing to do with each other

Maybe that's how you wish things were. But we have two admins back-to-back scraping Intel's corpse off the pavement.

ac297mo ago

The only company making EUVL machines is ASML. The EUV light source was invented in the US and according to wikipedia is used under licence by ASML.

If you have a source that says "modern, high-yield EULV" does not use ASML machines, or does not use the laser pulsed tin plasma light source invented in the US, I'd be interested

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