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0 pointsrayiner5mo ago0 comments

Nobody thinks the Japanese aren’t “civilized.” “Western” is just a euphemism for “rich and orderly.”

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It is an odd category, and Japan is often considered to be "Western" - these days at least. That certainly wasn't the case even a few generations ago.

I think it's ostensibly supposed to be more about shared cultural values, but even that is a pretty weak way to divide countries. Perhaps "an ally of the United States" is a little more accurate?

Any societal dividing line like this is bound to hit on problems once subjected to the real world.

huntertwo5mo ago

I think Japan likely shares more values culturally with China than USA outside of political systems. In any aspect outside of that Japan is not western.

hollerith5mo ago

The leaders of Japan during the Meiji era (starting 1868) will be sad to learn that their attempt to thoroughly Westernize Japanese society failed even though it enabled Japan to dominate China (and most of the Western Pacific) for decades.

bad_haircut725mo ago

Its more about democracy and adhering to the global (set up by America post WW2) system of laws and trade.

rayinerOP5mo ago

I think most people considered Spain a "western" country even in 1970 when it was controlled by Franco.

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