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0 pointsskippyboxedhero5mo ago0 comments

Stocks do not have positive expected return. The return on the average stock is 0% in the US which is negative after fees (this is a common misconception, market returns are positive only because large companies get larger and this is contextual, when this isn't true then even the market will lose money). This is to say nothing of 0DTE options.

There is a risk premium but this premium can be positive or negative. It has been negative in many countries, do you suggest they ban stocks?

I don't think stocks are the same thing as gambling btw. But it is significantly more complex in that they overlap, some financial products clearly exist in the US because gambling was illegal. A sports bet is clearly not an investment, but neither is a ODTE option. Both are entertainment, the former probably more logically so than the latter, I am not sure what appeal that latter can have other than to gambling addicts.

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oreally5mo ago

If stocks did not have positive expected return no one would invest. What you're talking about is daytrading where there's a large failure rate so much so people call it gambling because of the nature of how swingy and illogical it can be.

Besides that, there's also the perspective that options help stabilize the market via hedging.

skippyboxedheroOP5mo ago

Then why do people gamble? Negative expected return, they still do it.

I am also not sure what you are saying. The return on the average stock is negative, it is a empirical fact.

deadbabe5mo ago

No one should be buying 0DTE options, it’s idiotic.

You should only use options as a way to make some extra money for actions you might have taken anyway, such as buying/selling a stock at a certain price.

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