Detaching GraalVM from the Java Ecosystem Train (opens in new tab)

(blogs.oracle.com)

30 pointsteajunky5mo ago14 comments

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This was discussed over on /r/java when it came out. The tl;dr is that it’s a poorly worded blog post about the OracleJdk (the one you pay and subscribe to). Graal isn’t going anywhere.

https://www.reddit.com/r/java/comments/1niamuc/detaching_gra...

pron5mo ago

You don't need to pay to use Oracle JDK. It is free for commercial use. You pay for a support subscription, bought separately.

fanf25mo ago

There are lots of news stories in recent years about Oracle sending lawyers round to demand money from orgs both commercial and non-commercial who are using Oracle Java SE, eg https://www.theregister.com/2025/05/09/users_advised_to_revi...

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altmind5mo ago

| GraalVM for JDK 24 was the final GraalVM release licensed and supported as part of Oracle Java SE Products. Customers requiring further updates to legacy GraalVM versions should download them via Oracle Support.

Huh, that sounded to me that there won't be any new free graalvm versions? Sounds like a death record for a project.

CharlesW5mo ago

> Huh, that sounded to me that there won't be any new free graalvm versions?

Based on, "The GraalVM team are transitioning to focus on non-Java Graal Languages" and other statements, there will be new free GraalVM versions, but its support for Java has been paused (and will surely be removed, someday), and using it for Java will be discouraged.

k_bx5mo ago

Can someone explain, do they ditch the project, or do they move it elsewhere? It's hard to understand from the announcement. I need to compile java to native binary to not have to install runtime on my servers for the small service I use.

vips7L5mo ago

It’s poorly worded. Graal and NI aren’t going anywhere. The wording is this:

“Native Image, is being discontinued for Java SE Product customers"

That means that it will no longer be included as a product for the OracleJdk that you would pay and subscribe to (which no sane person actually does).

k_bx5mo ago

Ah, I see. Another thing I would expect normal announcement to include is the command I need to run instead of graaldb

k_bx5mo ago

Also, why would they do that? I mean, I understand adding more languages, I understand stopping the project. But killing Java and adding other langs? Why?

jonstewart5mo ago

Kinda reads like the Graal team lost a battle to the Java team, and now Graal must content itself with JavaScript and Python. But, like, who is going to use Oracle anything for JS and Python?

gf0005mo ago

I think it's more like just a team organization change, nothing more.

reactordev5mo ago

Surprise! Oracle doesn’t care about Java… (not a surprise)

gf0005mo ago

Yeah, the company employing almost every OpenJDK developer surely doesn't care about Java...

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vips7L5mo ago

This was discussed over on /r/java when it came out. The tl;dr is that it’s a poorly worded blog post about the OracleJdk (the one you pay and subscribe to). Graal isn’t going anywhere.

https://www.reddit.com/r/java/comments/1niamuc/detaching_gra...

pron5mo ago

You don't need to pay to use Oracle JDK. It is free for commercial use. You pay for a support subscription, bought separately.

fanf25mo ago

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altmind5mo ago

Huh, that sounded to me that there won't be any new free graalvm versions? Sounds like a death record for a project.

CharlesW5mo ago

> Huh, that sounded to me that there won't be any new free graalvm versions?

k_bx5mo ago

vips7L5mo ago

It’s poorly worded. Graal and NI aren’t going anywhere. The wording is this:

“Native Image, is being discontinued for Java SE Product customers"

That means that it will no longer be included as a product for the OracleJdk that you would pay and subscribe to (which no sane person actually does).

k_bx5mo ago

Ah, I see. Another thing I would expect normal announcement to include is the command I need to run instead of graaldb

k_bx5mo ago

Also, why would they do that? I mean, I understand adding more languages, I understand stopping the project. But killing Java and adding other langs? Why?

jonstewart5mo ago

Kinda reads like the Graal team lost a battle to the Java team, and now Graal must content itself with JavaScript and Python. But, like, who is going to use Oracle anything for JS and Python?

gf0005mo ago

I think it's more like just a team organization change, nothing more.

reactordev5mo ago

Surprise! Oracle doesn’t care about Java… (not a surprise)

gf0005mo ago

Yeah, the company employing almost every OpenJDK developer surely doesn't care about Java...

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse