That being said...
I can't be the only person who consciously avoids fast-charging my phone. My whole apartment is full of wireless charging pads intentionally plugged into weak chargers (wireless charging avoids putting wear on the USB port). 60 watts can't possibly be healthy for a battery small enough to fit into a phone.
I work at a place with a huge phone fleet. We have interns study our telemetry and records because I kids like phones and they find ways to save us money. We allow for low friction replacements of phones at 12 months — the average replacement is ~27. The most common issues are cracked screens and excessive scratching on iPhone 16 and a Samsung I cannot recall. Batteries are only an issue for field devices subject to excessive cold or heat.
Unless you’re trying to keep the thing going 5 years, you’re likely seeing marginal benefits.
Not GP, but yes: that’s exactly what I’m trying to do. I think that people should generally expect 5+ years out of their devices. And in a world where user-replaceable batteries are decreasingly common, it makes increasing sense to change habits to preserve the built-in battery.
At work, the optimal cash flow is rapid replacement. We buy high volume so as long as I don’t use a lot of labor, we make money on the subsidy. I buy a phone for $1, and net $250 in trade in 18-20 months.
5-10 years means you want a wall phone. There’s nothing wrong with that, but it’s a contrarian position and the options on the market don’t support it well as a result.
My last phone went for 6 years, and the only reason I replaced it is because one of my banking apps dropped support for Android 8.
I really like Ikea's cheaper Smahagel chargers, by the way. They have very good electrical separation, they're cheap, and only run at 5W. The way they're shaped makes it easier to cram a bunch of them into a power strip, which is nice. Can't speak for the USB-C Ikea chargers though.
If you want to use the newer chargers, I’d think you’d want cooling and airflow. At some point, I want to build a MagSafe stand with a low RPM silent fan on it.
Even LinusTechTips did a video that showed the length of charging doing more damage than fast charging. For the concern about thermal damage, most phones will throttle their charge if they become too warm.
Personally, I feel my wireless charger in the car does the most damage. It generates more heat and holds the battery in a charging state for longer
My previous phones never even got below 90% in their lifetime.
As a counterpoint, I've been using low-power wireless charging (5W adapters) with my phones for the last several years (three phones at least). The battery degradation was minimal, I was able to pass my phone to my kid after 3 years of use with near perfect battery.
The key here is to prevent heat buildup.
Linus is surprised that fast charging does not heat the battery as much as expected.
I interpreted that "length of charging doing more damage than fast charging" meant that slow charging was worse, because the battery spends more time charging, but I don't think this is stated in the video. In the video, Linus confirms that it is the high state of charge that does the damage and that trying to keep the state of charge as close to 50ish % is best. The conclusion that fast charging is better for the battery, is because you are more likely to do it when awake, and can stop the charging once it reaches whatever percentage you require (but the damage really starts to increase above 80%.
Also I am using magsafe which due to the magnet alignment leads to a high efficiency transfer at least.
[1] https://www.amazon.co.uk/Apple-20W-USB-C-Power-Adapter/dp/B0...
0: https://www.amazon.co.uk/UGREEN-Foldable-Charger-Support-Com...
I'm guessing an Apple 40-60W UK version might come in somewhere in between in size?
There's also the Anker Nano 45W, at 49 × 49 × 34 mm: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0DPR2VYQF
https://9to5toys.com/2018/11/09/apple-and-amazon-deal-iphone... https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/apple-pumps-up-its-amazon-l...
(I think there may be a few other top-tier brands who get this special treatment from Amazon.)
Just don’t buy from random listings with vendors named TREGARBLE or something. Inspect it upon arrival and send it back if it’s a problem.
I wish there was something like this for Europlug chargers. Ironically, the most compact USB adapter for me so far is one with a US plug, combined with an US-to-Europlug adapter, which can be made very compact, but seem a bit risky at 220V, given that US plugs expose the prongs while connected.
Better than that. You just move the biggest (earth) pin and the other pins fold automatically with it (in the opposite direction!), via a perfectly weighted/sprung mechanical linkage. It's a very smooth, elegant, robust action. Whoever designed it should get some design awards!
https://a.aliexpress.com/_EuPD4j8
It can deliver 50 watts entirely to 1 port, unlike most others where they mean 25 watts per port.
$5.50 with free shipping.
You couldn’t pay me enough money to plug this into a building’s electrical distribution system, it’s drawing ~3A at 120V (60W at 5V plus inefficiency) and in a very small form factor, I sure hope the engineering and QA of that $5 charger is up to par. Did they include an internal fuse or did they forego that to save $0.03? Who knows!
Fire is more of a concern, but this is indeed internally fused and the IC has both overcurrent and overheat protection - both of which are effectively 'free', so there are no cost savings to not include them.
Anyone know the switching frequency?
And batteries can charge pretty fast these days. Modern pocket supercomputers keep track of battery temperature to keep things within defined limits during charging.
AFAIK the real problem, longevity-wise, for these batteries in normal use is the time spent at extremes of charge (<20% or >80%, ish).
That all said: Sure, some phones have options.
My Samsung phone does some man-behind-the-curtain tricks to attempt to make it reach 100% just before it predicts that I'll unplug it (eg, when I wake up). The idea is to maximize the charge on the phone while also keeping it at 100% SoC for as little time as practical. This probably works great for people with regular schedules (which is to say: people who are not like me).
This phone also lets me explicitly disable various fast-charge modes. I think there's at least two different modes that I can turn off (but I leave them all turned on).
And there's also a mode that limits the maximum charge to 85%, to promote long-term battery health. I have this mode engage automatically when using wireless charging, which is something I only do with the wireless charging cradle on my car's dashboard. (I do want the phone to be powered while I drive, but I don't normally need anything to work extra-hard to cram that last 15% into the battery when I'm on a long drive. It's a good balance, for me.)
More to your question the DIY solar community is torn between the benefits of float voltage which is a pretty low charging rate. I bought some cells (not for my house) and on the data sheet they were fine with .1C. They were more concerned with temperature and very high C rates hurting the lifespan. Since I was going to AC couple I was more worried about total system efficiency so similarly staying under a rate that heats the battery up and above the idle power of the inverter was my goal.
USB-PD now has a standard for having sink devices request a particular current from the charger, meaning that you could actually remove a converter from the sink device side, because with a programmable source, the current limiting happens on the power supply side. Cool stuff especially for small electronics like wearables.
Generally though if you want to charge with USB-PD and accept all kinds of chargers, the sink device will have to have its own charge control PMIC.
All this negotiation happens over a side band via the "CC" pins on the USB-C connector.
Devices that support it can potentially charge more efficiently (and by extension more quickly, if they're limited by heat dissipation), but they can't rely on any USB-PD adapter supporting it.
It's also different from AVS (which Apple's adapter seems to support), which allows controlling the voltage in finer steps, but not limiting the current in the same way that PPS does.
If a device charged overnight does not support limiting charging to 80%, a 5W charger means the device spends less time between 80% and 100% versus a higher wattage charger.
For a newer device that does support limited charging to 80%, I agree that there’s probably a little difference in battery aging between different speed chargers, however for overnight charging, where I really don’t care how long it takes to charge, I would still go with the lower power.
At my work, we have an X-ray machine for PCB reverse engineering. On Fridays we throw in random stuff from around the office, and sometimes make videos about what we find inside.
A few weeks ago we released an X-ray teardown of several other, older chargers. Very interesting to compare with these fancy new ones!
Note that the audio mix for the microphone fell in the left channel only.
Apart from that, interesting images!
What a funny, positive way to point out our error.
Happy to take recommendations for other stuff to drop in there and film!
Also if this sounds cool to you, we're hiring US citizens.
Curious, does this machine get past the top copper layer?
A CT is, simplifying, an x-ray machine that takes lots of images in slices, then analyze them with certain algorithms to reconstruct 2D and 3D images of the interior of the 'subject'.
[0]: https://rollingsquare.com/products/supertiny-the-smallest-65...
Hot but not too hot
Many devices are made larger simply to have more surface area to spread the heat over to stay within the law.
IMHO, it should be the default, I have never been in a situation where it caused a problem, but I have been in plenty of situations where it helped.
initial-scale=1.0, minimum-scale=1.0, maximum-scale=1.0, user-scalable=no
My main criteria are (1) dual USB-C ports to charge multiple devices in one location, (2) compact enough to not block the other receptacle, and (3) ports face down/to the side so can fit between the wall and furniture. Unfortunately most chargers fail at least one of these.
I've recently been replacing some of the wiring in my house as part of a renovation, and I discovered that Leviton sells outlets with PD USB-C built in now! Not talking about the useless 2A USB-A "built-in" chargers of yore, now they actually have proper PD up to 60W!
They do also sell non-PD, so it requires some careful checking of the model numbers. And the 60W one is pretty large (the in-wall part) so it might not quite fit in an existing wallbox if it is a small one. But briefly: - T5636: two USB-C PD, up to 60W total / 60W individual or 30W each if both in use - T5635: two USB-C PD, up to 30W total / 30W individual or 15W each for both - T5634: one USB-C PD and one USB-A. USB-A is 10W and USB-C is up to 50W (even if both are in use) They also make T8xx versions of these that have 20A receptacles (NEMA 5-20R) but those are harder to find.
They also make other T56xx/T58xx which have non-PD USB-C, good for places like bathrooms where shavers/etc work fine on 5V.
I've found that putting a few of these around has eliminated a lot of the Anker chargers I used to have sticking out everywhere. They're completely in-wall and they leave both outlets free. If I need 100W for my computer, I'll still use a separate charger, but otherwise these are fine.
The only point they don't hit on your list is the ports facing down, but because they're flush at the wall, that means they don't interfere with furniture (any more than having any plug plugged into the outlets at all would).
If you're in Europe/elsewhere, not sure if other manufacturers make similar devices. I know Legrand makes some 30W PD ones in the US market, and as they're French, maybe they make them for others as well.
I might use these in my basement remodel since I can easily install deeper boxes. A right angle connector cable would also solve the issue of the port direction.
Makes them harder to plug in behind furniture too.
> The thermistor monitors the internal temperature and dynamically adjusts the power level to reduce output power when the temperature rises.
My guess is that it's dependent on the ambient temperature, but that's just a guess! I can't imagine what the restriction on peak power would be other than temperature rise, though...
Peak power tends to last about 10 minutes or so.
Or put another way, past ten mins it’s just as likely the phone will be plugged in for hours or overnight and the charge speed is irrelevant.
Also while the US plug makes some pretty compact power adapters, the effect is largely ruined in the EU and UK with their wider more cumbersome plugs.
Physically the design is pretty much the same as this new 60/40W version, so I would expect them to eventually offer a 60/40W folding pin UK charger too.
https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/product/MUVT3B/A/20w-usb-c-pow...
https://www.chargerlab.com/complete-pd-3-2-spr-avs-specifica...
Agreed. Seriously, am I missing something or are the compact chargers from various other companies at least as compelling as this? I've got a nice one from Lenovo with high output and a smaller form factor than this. (Several other manufacturers have a similar size and output so nothing special about Lenovo here). The Apple one, while maybe smaller then their usual, is still bigger and appears to be short and "fat" which can limit where you can plug it sometimes.
Or is just another "but this time it is from Apple" kind of thing. (All the vapor chamber talk from a few days ago had me scratching my head too.)
Having read the article, I’m a little surprised this hit the front page. It’s well done as a tear down. But that’s all it is.
Full disclosure: they use some Chinese shipping service I’ve never heard of that may raise scam alerts further.
The adapters are smaller than comparables I have and work with every device I’ve tried. That being said, I haven’t done a teardown and I’ve only used them about half a year so far.
My motivation for sharing is that I like the product and thought others might too. People responding in a thread about power adapters might be in the market for power adapters so I want to help them find good products.
The Apple charger is mildly interesting because they made a slightly smaller than usual one that displays a dynamic behavior where it boosts up to 60W. That’s it.
(If you actually mean efficiency of energy delivered, and not time efficiency… the energy efficiency of charging your own personal phone is completely irrelevant to anything. You could save many times that amount of energy per year by switching to a heat pump water heater, or a heat pump clothes dryer, but most people haven’t.)
You don’t need some kind of special charger.
[0]: https://9to5mac.com/2025/09/13/iphone-17-pro-fast-charging-p...
To be clear, I have designed high-density electronics myself which were repairable - it's tough but doable.
I have to wonder if they have a team with an EE paired with an origami artist, with how creative some of the layouts get.
Apple sells Anker chargers from within their online store and possibly retail too so I figured they threw in the towel long ago. Honestly it seems quite overpriced when you can get a similar Anker GaN charger for much less.
And no, this isn't 2004 anymore, non-OEM chargers are outstanding as long as they're not $2 crap off AliExpress.
When Apple stopped including the charger in the box with iPhone as a sleazy money grab, it was a tacit admission that non-OEM chargers reigned supreme. Still didn't stop the pious and devout from shelling out an extra $25 though.
That said, if it were the case it wouldn’t be the first time. The LG 5K display was very much an Apple/LG project the former wasn’t happy to put their name on (in its defense, I have a revision 2 model and think it’s great). Logitech made Apple keyboards and Mice for a long time (no idea if that’s still the case) and would happily let you know in System Profiler or a manufacturing sticker somewhere in the product. In the 90s, many printing products were straight up HP and Cannon printers with a rainbow Apple logo. I’m guessing we wouldn’t really hear as much about the ODM rebrands of minor devices that work out that don’t make it obvious what they are.
Good question. For this one it says right on the package, designed by Apple in California.
Something like the Anker Prime 100W GaN charger is far more compact than any charger Apple has shipped.
Now, granted, many compact chargers lie about how long they can provide sustained power. That's exactly what this "dynamic" charger is doing, except that it's being more up-front about the fact that it's not a 60W charger, it's a "60W until it's inevitably too hot" charger.
It can just about charge the laptop whilst web browsing, but if anything CPU heavy happens then the battery discharges a bit.
But over a whole workday I find the charger is enough, and I prefer a smaller lighter charger over the ability to run a game 24x7.
and it's barely past 10 votes.
I have an HP Zbook G1a laptop that uses 140W USB PD charging. However, except for the HP charger, I have not found a charger or cable pair that works. After a while they start cycling charging on and off. Under heavy load that happens almost immediately. Under light loads it might take hours.
Is there a ChargerLAB product that can explain what exactly is going on between the computer and the charger?
I have used Anker, Insignia and some random USB-C PD chargers and cables rated for 100-140-240W from various vendors.
Even the same 60W max, 30W per port is enough to charge both to full in 2-3 hours.
The sole benefit of AVS over PPS is that AVS goes beyond 100W. But these chargers only do 60W. And it would have cost Apple almost nothing to also add PPS to their phones and chargers.
Edit: hello fanboys :)
It would make more sense if they used it for their MacBook chargers, but AFAIK the sole charger they having going beyond 100W is the 16" Pro charger at 140W. Every other Macbook charger is between 45W-96W.
Western distributors tend to only stock western/japanese brands of these, but they can make up a sizable fraction of the BOM (especially electrolytic capacitors) so knowing who the big players are comfortable with using is very handy. LCSC stock a lot, but its nice to know which suppliers have been proven in use.
Watch out. Some of the suppliers you’ve never heard of are capable of delivering good parts to companies like Apple but still have ultra cheap parts available retail.
You can’t rely on brand names in this space.
Wonder if they could compare this to GAN options from Anker or other competitors?
Still kind of annoyed how much my apple power adapter weighs, but I'm too cheap to really buy another one just so it weighs less haha.